I can’t say that I am surprised, but I am terribly grieved. I literally have a tummy ache, and have shed tears over this news.
Again we see Calvary Chapel, not only compromising the Word of God, but plunging head first into apostasy.
In fact, this morning there was a Rick Warren video on their Facebook page with the caption, “If you have questions, call…” It is gone now. At least, I can’t find it.
But, you really can’t call and talk to anyone about it. According to a friend, if you try, you will soon see that they won’t take messages or transfer you to someone who will listen. They just get testy and tell you that they are only taking email complaints about Rick Warren. Go ahead, and try calling! It is good to at least try.
866-999-5983 or 714-918-6207
Here is their email, in case you don’t get anywhere:
The only thing left on the Facebook page is just the announcement from Monday:
As of this morning there were 77 Comments. I clicked on the comments because I wanted to read what my brothers and sisters are saying. I only saw 17 comments, and they were all very positive (2 were neutral). There are 60 comments missing!!!
Is the KWVE Facebook page deleting negative comments? I would have to assume so, since one comment mentioned “negative comments,” but there are no negative comments anywhere:
E.Salisbury says, “welcome, Pastor Rick! By the way, my holy comrades, he loves Jesus too and Jesus loves him. Pastor Rick is our brother in Christ. I attend Calvary and have been at Saddleback many times I do not understand this angry comments.”
So there were angry comments?
But now there are none?
This is a huge problem. If there were 60 comments deleted, that means that the radio station is silencing their godly, concerned listeners. Controlling the narrative.
So when people who may have a check in their spirit click to read the comments, all they see is “Welcome to the family”–they fall in line. They realize that only sentiments of support and unity will be allowed.
This comes on the heels of KWVE removing two pretty solid Bible teachers from the radio–Jack Hibbs and Jon Randall. These teachers were very popular.
People can’t help but notice this all talking place in the middle of some major internal/political turmoil in Calvary–Calvary Chapel Global Network (CCGN) and Calvary Chapel Association (CCA). Two different organizations, two different visions, two different directions–BUT, one body of churches. It has been quite a stretch for everyone.
It is clear to even the average congregant watching–if you don’t fit in with the “New” vision and direction–there will be consequences.
Your comments will be deleted.
Your influence will be diminished.
Your voice will not be heard.
Toe the line.
We watch our pastors play the “Board” game.
While the titanic sinks.
My heart breaks. I am not so much upset because Brian Brodersen has different theological beliefs and standards. Lots of people do, but I am upset that instead of doing his own work outside of Calvary, he is bringing division into a fellowship of churches (that while not perfect) have been solidly teaching the Word verse by verse in peace and agreement for a generation.
This man, who takes over the pulpit of Chuck Smith, saying things like ” I think you can preach the whole counsel of God without teaching all 66 books of the Bible.” (what???) And:
“You know the last 10 years of pastor Chuck’s life in ministry, um, probably almost every sermon on a Sunday was seriously a doom and a gloom message and it was basically the world’s going to hell but the Lord’s coming so just you know buckle your seat belt, hold on and we’re all gonna be out of here. And so once a month I would preach and I would literally get up and try to counter what was happening for the other 3 weeks…” (Brian Brodersen–bereanresearch.org)
He has no affection for the legacy that was handed to him. He is tearing it apart, instead of building something new. He is leaving a trail of marginalized sheep and bruised and disenfranchised pastors in his wake.
For those of you who may not understand why it is even a big deal that Rick Warren is on KWVE, here is some information from Moriel Ministries on the problems with Rick Warren:
MORIEL MINISTRIES – By James Jacob Prasch – February 27, 2013
Moriel & Jacob Prasch fully endorse the recent conference remarks by Paul Smith warning about the seriously dangerous nature of the actions and false doctrines of Rick Warren.
Any honest review of the irrefutable facts supports Paul Smith’s caveats.
1st – Rick Warren’s recent open equivocation on same sex marriage to The Huffington Post after being publicly exposed for two contradictory statements concerning California’s Proposition 8 fits the fact that Rick Warren co- forwarded Dan Kimball’s book ‘THE EMERGENT CHURCH’ with Emergent Church Guru Brian McLaren who last month performed the same sex marriage of his son to his son’s husband in a supposedly “Evangelical’ ritual. The contrast of the two contradictory statements would impress anyone watching them that Rick Warren is a double talking liar. In light of this equivocation on same sex marriage, it is now a public shame and a disgrace for any Christian pastor or leader to now sanction the so-called ministry of Rick Warren.
2nd – Rick Warren’s ‘Global Peace Plan’ calling for partnering with worshippers of other gods (whom Moses and Paul both identified in God’s Word as demons) in order to usher in global peace is the anti christ agenda for a false, Christ-less peace that scriptural prophecy predicts and warns against in the last days. It is a public shame and a disgrace for any Christian leader to lend credence to the architect of such a blatantly satanic agenda.
3rd – Rick Warren’s downplay of repentance in his Purpose Driven model is a false gospel. In any New Testament model of the true gospel, repentance is central, not peripheral and a condition of regeneration, not only a post salvation sanctification. The marketing psychology based strategy Rick Warren borrowed from secular marketing entrepreneur, Peter Drucker and various figures involved in New Age “New Thought” drives this point even further.
4th – Rick Warren’s instruction to ignore end time prophecy as a diversion directly contradicts the unambiguous commands of the Lord Jesus in The Olivet Discourse to Be Alert for the signs of His Second Coming. Worse still is Rick Warren’s “cut and paste” style of eisegesis translocating verses between New Testament books to make the text appear to state things it does not is cultic and heretical. It even goes beyond Rick Warren’s preference for Eugene Peterson’s ‘The Message,‘ which often bears no resemblance to the original meaning of the original Greek texts instead of preaching from The Word of God.
We thank God for the uncompromising courage and integrity displayed and exhibited by Paul Smith in his stance and we stand with his remarks solidly.
Anyone who truly fears God, believes His Word, and understands the irrefutable documented facts about Rick Warren can do no other. Rick Warren is one of the false teachers whom Jesus` warned would come to deceive the elect and prepare the way for the anti-christ in the Last Days. The proven facts examined in light of God’s Words can leave room for no other viable conclusion.
We will all stand before The Lord. Pastors will give account to Jesus for if or not they protected His sheep for whom He died from the wolves sent to devour them according to Jesus, Ezekiel and Peter and James tells us that teachers of scripture will be judged by The Lord more strictly than the rest. Let us all take heed.
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Falling Short – Rick Warren
CWM.org [CHRISTIAN WITNESS MINISTRIES] – By Mark Mullins – November 22, 2012
Rick Warren has become a legend in his own lifetime as a result of writing the Purpose Driven Life which has sold some 30 million copies and the size of Saddleback Church which is some 24,000 strong. He has prayed at the inaugural ceremonies of Presidents George Bush and Barak Obama.
Rick Warren is considered to be a conservative evangelical holding biblical views on such matters as saving faith, hell(although Saddleback’s statement of faith is weak) and creationism. It is this apparent orthodoxy in Rick Warren that has put many off his scent and led to his acceptance as a card carrying evangelical. …Rick Warren and Islam
[…] Perhaps the most shocking of Warren’s errors is his compromise with Islam. Along with Robert Schuller, John Stott, Yonggi Cho and Bill Hybels, Warren signed a statement from Yale University welcoming an open letter signed by 138 Muslim leaders written to leaders of the Christian faith entitled, A Common Word Between Us, which was published on 13th October 2007. It claims that love of God and love of neighbour are central to both religions. The problem is that the Muslim letter contains statements that refer to the false belief that Muslims and Christians worship the same God: …
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This is just the tip of the iceberg. There is so much more out there about Rick Warren and his double-talk and false teaching. If you WANT to know, you will search it out and see. If you DON’T want to know, you will ignore the warnings. It is your choice.
We are nearing the end times. We are witnessing the falling away. Jesus says that we need to take heed lest we be deceived. People always assume that they won’t be deceived because they love God. But the Bible doesn’t say that. It says you could be deceived if you don’t love TRUTH. The WORD is TRUTH. If you are not standing on the WORD, even you can fall into deception, even apostasy. Even me.
My personal belief is that Rick Warren is a pastor with the agenda of the spirit of Anti-Christ. His global peace plan, his teaming up with false religions for world peace, his double-speak on Homosexuality, his seeker friendly, repentance barren “gospel” of purpose and humanism. So if his message is from the “spirit” of anti-christ–how much more crucial is this warning from Scripture????
The Great Apostasy
2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ[a] had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[c] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He[d] who now restrains will do so until He[e] is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-12
They perish who refuse to LOVE the TRUTH.
There is no true unity of the Spirit, unless it is in TRUTH.
The SPIRIT leads us into all TRUTH.
KWVE is teaching the Bible, and then compromising and disobeying what it says!