It Is Time For Judgment To Begin With God’s Household–My Thoughts on Gay Marriage, Josh Duggar, and Hurting Sheep

For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

1 Peter 4:17

I haven’t written in a while, and I am not sure what this post will turn into, or if I will even publish it. I just want to get my thoughts out. I want to see what the Word of God might say, and if there is any exhortation and encouragement that will bubble to the surface.

I guess, what the Lord is telling me recently is that I need to prepare. I don’t know what for, but He has spoken to me that I need to get my priorities in order. I have been focusing on those things more and more, and especially in these last three weeks.

He has also been impressing on me to purify my heart, and be even more obedient to His Holy Word.

It is so easy to get distracted and discouraged. Like the psalmist I have seen mean people prosper, and I have felt the injustice. I have asked in my heart, is my way passed over by the Lord?

Why do you say, O Jacob, and complain, O Israel, “My way is hidden from the LORD; my cause is disregarded by my God”? Isaiah 40:28

I mean of course it is not! I know that. But there are times when I have scratched my head and wondered what is going on.

I went through a season where Psalm 73 actually took on personal meaning:

But as for me, my feet had almost stumbled;
My steps had nearly slipped.
For I was envious of the boastful,
When I saw the prosperity of the wicked.

For there are no pangs in their death,
But their strength is firm.
They are not in trouble as other men,
Nor are they plagued like other men.
Therefore pride serves as their necklace;
Violence covers them like a garment.
Their eyes bulge with abundance;
They have more than heart could wish.
They scoff and speak wickedly concerning oppression;
They speak loftily.
They set their mouth against the heavens,
And their tongue walks through the earth.

It guess I always read it, as if they Psalmist was talking about those OUTSIDE the faith. I never related to it, because I don’t want to go back to the old life.

It takes on new meaning when you see it apply to those who call themselves brothers. 

I have seen so many Christians hurt by these so called brothers, in church leadership.

There was no accountability.

No rescue for the helpless.

Just injustice.

And the brothers continue to prosper; they hide behind their reputation.

It stumbled me.

Leaders in the church, biting and devouring the sheep.

“Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” says the Lord. Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them.”

Jeremiah 23:1-2

“Why Lord? Why don’t You correct them? Why don’t You fix them? Why don’t You /judge/ them, maybe? Don’t You see Your injured sheep? Why do they get away with everything?”

Surely I have cleansed my heart in vain,
And washed my hands in innocence.
For all day long I have been plagued,
And chastened every morning.

Discouragement seeps in. Why do I even bother? Why do I even care? Why do I even try? Why do I even pray for them? /reality/

But the Lord, tells me to read on . . .

If I had said, “I will speak thus,”
Behold, I would have been untrue to the generation of Your children.
When I thought how to understand this,
It was too painful for me—
Until I went into the sanctuary of God;
Then I understood their end.

Surely You set them in slippery places;
You cast them down to destruction.
Oh, how they are brought to desolation, as in a moment!
They are utterly consumed with terrors.
As a dream when one awakes,
So, Lord, when You awake,
You shall despise their image.

Thus my heart was grieved,
And I was vexed in my mind.
I was so foolish and ignorant;
I was like a beast before You.
Nevertheless I am continually with You;
You hold me by my right hand.
You will guide me with Your counsel,
And afterward receive me to glory.

Whom have I in heaven but You?
And there is none upon earth that I desire besides You.
My flesh and my heart fail;
But God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever.

For indeed, those who are far from You shall perish;
You have destroyed all those who desert You for harlotry.
But it is good for me to draw near to God;
I have put my trust in the Lord GOD,
That I may declare all Your works.

The Lord is coming.

He is a righteous judge.

He will reward each one according to their works.

He sees.

He sees MORE than I see.

He sees the heart.

He sees my heart.

He sees MORE of my heart than I do.

And when He shows it to me, I need to respond with obedience to Him.

“As for you, follow Me.”–John 21:22

Repent

I want to turn my eyes from all the distractions, inside the church.

I want to turn my eyes from all the distractions, outside the church.

I want to follow Jesus.

I want to work out my salvation with fear and trembling.

I want to look to Jesus, the author and FINISHER of my faith.

I want to be one who does not just hear the WORD, but does what it says.

I want to be one who does the will of my Father in heaven.

I want to be one that Jesus KNOWS.

I want to have my things together, and be ready to go.

There will be tares in that Day.

I don’t want to be numbered among them.

There will be those who say “Lord, Lord! Don’t you know me?”

There will be a Day when the Lord divides the sheep from the goats.

I need to draw closer and closer to the Lord as that Day approaches.

Prepare

Christians are angry that the nation passed the Gay Marriage law.

The sky may indeed fall.

But I think that we need to use this time to focus on ourselves.

What sin do I tolerate IN MY HEART?

We can’t choose Jesus for anyone but ourselves.

We may be persecuted for our stance on gay marriage.

But before that even happens, let’s clean house.

Let’s say NO to the immorality inside of us.

Because I know that there are many heterosexuals sitting in churches every week tolerating pornography, unclean thoughts, adulteries, idolatries, hatred, outbursts of wrath, drunkenness, etc.

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?

Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.  

And such were some of you.

But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. 

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

We WERE these things.

But we should not still BE these things.

We should have been WASHED, SANCTIFIED and JUSTIFIED.

The Holy Spirit makes us new. He helps us.

We should not still be these things.

And may God help us if we are deceived, thinking we are okay, when we are not.

We have time, right now.

We still have this moment to repent.

WE need to take the speck out of our own eyes, so we can help others.

We need to purify our own minds, so we can be vessels of honor.

The Lord desires obedience.

The Lord desires holiness.

The Lord desires our love.

“For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.

And his commandments are not burdensome.” 1 John 5:3

Purify

Let’s be washed.

The WORLD sees a dirty church.

They see a church of self-righteous snobs.

They see a church that DEFENDED a child molester three weeks ago.

But is ANGRY at a couple of people, who don’t BELIEVE in Jesus, that want to follow their own different desires.

The world may support gay marriage, but at least they agree that it is wrong to molest a child.

But if you are a /famous/ Christian, we say, “It was a mistake, Jesus forgives.”

I don’t want to be like that.

I don’t want to minimize the sin in the church. We need to call it out and learn from it.

We need to make an example of what happens when people in the church commit crimes.

It should be a warning, not a pride parade.

I saw an article saying that Josh Duggar is a hero! It says that not only is he a hero, because we now know he molested 5 girls, but he is the BEST type of hero because he is a “broken hero.” So when we find sin in the camp, we pick up the criminal, carry him on our shoulders and add his name to the list of heroes in Hebrews 11?

Christians say we have to ignore it, because if we speak against this tragedy we are throwing stones. But no one is trying to kill Josh!

The church needs to stand up for victims of abuse and say, “Hey! It happens even in what we would think are the most perfect of families! What should we do to protect other kids from this? How can we raise awareness?”

That didn’t happen.

Like a dysfunctional family, Christians publicly dismissed this scandal and shamed anyone who thought this was horrible, for “not understanding the gospel of grace.”

Jesus died to pay the punishment for our sins.

This actually means that He hated that sin enough that He thought someone should die to atone for it.

It doesn’t mean that He thinks it is just a mistake, and we all make mistakes, just hide it. 

He hates it.

I don’t want to be like the Duggars– who condemn the sins of non-Christians, and add human rules to Biblical teaching to create a long skirted, patriarchal, “Super-Christianity,” all while hiding sin /crime/ so grievous that even Non-Christians are disgusted by it /child sex abuse/.

Yes, gay marriage is wrong.

But we need to clean up our own house.

We need to start taking a stand against ALL sexual immorality, even the stuff we think isn’t AS BAD— premarital sex, pornography, lust . . . and as far as I can tell, I guess Christians now are ready to minimize pedophilia . . . Who would have thought?

We have a form of godliness . . . but we are denying it’s power.

Let’s stop pretending we are better than the world, when we are hiding the truth.

We have our own hidden sins.

We need to deal harshly with ourselves, before we scold the world.

We are children of God, and we know better.

The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 24:50-51

It is time to get our house in order.

The Master is coming.

 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? Now

“If the righteous one is scarcely saved,
Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?

1 Peter 4:17-18

 

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33 Responses to It Is Time For Judgment To Begin With God’s Household–My Thoughts on Gay Marriage, Josh Duggar, and Hurting Sheep

  1. Mtn Girl says:

    Finally! A Christian who is taking a stand against Josh Duggar for molesting his sisters and a family friend. Thank God, I thought, really! On Christian websites they came out in droves defending his actions as nothing more than what his sister said, “He made a mistake and was a little too curious about girls”. You’ve gotta be kidding me? He violated them in a most heinous way. Oh, and they said, God forgives, as though, it is past, it is out of sight. Not so fast, and you made that point very clearly. It is frightening to think there are that many Christians who would lightly brush this off.

    So, it is not just coincidental that I read while ago about the shenanigans of two of the Duggars very close associates, one who happens to be the founder of Basic Life Principles, Bill Gothard, who is accused of molesting multiple young women and is no longer holding his position in ministry. He is a sick man who portrayed himself as a very godly man. His Basic Life principles were nothing more than like you said, patriarchy and man-made rules that have no Biblical basis whatsoever. The followers of this patriarchy movement really and truly worship the father in the home – which is idolatry, plain and simple. The other Patriarchal ministry leader who fell due to having an ongoing affair with a woman, Doug Phillips with Vision Forum, was also closely tied with the Duggars. I bring all of that up because they are all enmeshed in this false teaching that the husband/father is not just the head of the home, but is ruler over all. And we know that those who are involved in false teaching are usually found to be committing sexual sin in one form or another. They go hand-in-hand as we’ve seen in all three of these instances.

    • Yes, thank you for bringing up Bill Gothard’s connection to all of this. I didn’t go into it, and fortunately there are many great bloggers out there who have put forth all of these troubling connections. I might provide some links to those articles. But yes, this is key to WHY they handled this so poorly.

      But despite the fact that the Duggars are part of a false movement, they have been embraced by mainstream Christians, who look at them as “better” Christians. Well, the Lord is exposing the sin in Doug Phillips, Bill Gothard, and now the Duggars. You can all dress alike, wear long dresses, court, go swimming in your clothes, and pretend like you are better than all the other Christians in the US—but still have some really terrible skeletons in your closet!!!

      Many Christians think the “enemy” exposed them, to ruin their testimony because they are so “pure” —- I think we need to be open to the idea that the LORD exposed them, because they are not so “pure.”

      Thanks for sharing my friend. God bless.

  2. lyn says:

    Well said sister – the whole Duggar thing is a nightmare. We mustn’t assume the Duggars are true, born again Christians, and many don’t. Their cult-like legalistic brand of religion is unbiblical; their cover-up of sin is shameful.
    As for the passing of homosexual marriage, this angers those who hold to the dominionist type religion and think they must make everything ‘right’ before Christ returns. True Christians are heartbroken over America’s lightening speed descent into deeper depravity and wickedness.
    Yes, the sins within the visible church are astounding, but, it could be because the visible church is filled with goats. True, convicting, Holy Ghost empowered preaching is an extreme rarity in our day. If you stand firm on the whole counsel, you would be hard-pressed to find a church that would ‘accept’ you.
    This we know – judgment is looming over this nation and Christ is coming. It is as you say, we must examine ourselves, we must get our own house in order and now, more than ever, seek His face.
    I watched this earlier, and am listening to it again. It’s a stern warning from David Wilkerson – https://youtu.be/QdEY7sn5Wvg
    We all need to hear this message

  3. Lori says:

    Good post and the two comments above mine are also good! My first thought and statement to a non-believer who told me about the Supreme Court’s ruling (in the middle of my work day) was “judgement begins in the House of God” and I went on to explain to him that because Christians have done such a bad job with marriage, with as much divorce rate as non-believers, that there is no way we can now pass judgement on others about what is a Godly marriage. (Not to mention Christians that are on their 2nd, 3rd and 4th marriages!!!) And so I see this as a judgement the church brought on our nation by not preaching the whole counsel of God from the pulpits and for winking at divorce and remarriage where the Bible does not. I even was under a pastor my first 5 years saved, who was all for remarriage, (I was divorced prior to becoming a true Christian, was raised in it, but wasn’t sold-out until years after being divorced) so much so that he offered to me “well you can basically say your husband in a way abandoned you and so then it would be okay to remarry”. I knew he was stretching the truth of what the Bible says and he was grasping at straws as to what took place in my marriage (he wasn’t there, he didn’t know all of the ins and outs of it, and the bottom line is I was the one who brought on the divorce papers.) so that he could then give me permission to remarry. (I am not saying God will not allow me to remarry but that is for God to tell me when and if he does have someone for me – not for this pastor who seemed to condone all remarriages in the church.) But anyway, if the pastors of churches are seeking out ways to justify unBiblical re-marriages, well then the parishioners are really not being advised on how to stay married. And as a whole we Christians look like a bunch of hypocrites telling the world what the Bible says about marriage!!! As far as the Duggers, this was also something I instantly took to fighting against – I told my co-worker girlfriend that the parents are obviously male chauvenists because they dismissed their girls as victims a few times during their interview with statements like “they didn’t even know it happened”, “they were asleep” etc. etc. and all the while they were downplaying Josh’s serious pediphelia problem because they obviously see him as more valuable than their girls – sickening display of male chauvenism!!!! I also said to my coworker, these parents just said “its okay if the victims are unconscious and don’t know they are being violated” so I guess their message to the world is to use chloroform to knock out your victim before you violate them and then it won’t be a criminal act”. I was incensed as I was saying all of this and then a day later I saw where Sarah Palin was speaking up the side of the Duggar family and I thought, yep, a Dominionist Christian taking up the wrong side once again! Anyway, I am grateful there are some Christians that see the truth in matters such as these so please keep posting your comments! I can tell you one way that my own outreach will have to altered due to the gay marriage being legalized – I have a witnessing sign that I used multi-colored letters on, so as to be pretty while sharing the Gospel, but now with them displaying the rainbow everywhere, I will need to change the letters to one solid color. I don’t want to give off the wrong impression that I am one of the Christians that condones gay marriage and rainbow colored letters may just do that. It’s going to be a lot of work for me because I have several different messages that will now have to be redone. I am sure this won’t be my heaviest problem though as we Christians may someday find ourselves in jail for hate-speech for preaching what the Bible says about marriage being between 1 man and 1 woman.
    God bless,
    Lori

    • You bring up such amazing points. Is sexual assault okay, if the person is unconscious? Legally–NO WAY!!! In Duggar world–I guess!!!

      Do they even realize how insulting they have been to girls who have been drugged with GHB? Or raped while under the influence? “Well, at least you don’t remember what happened!” Uhm, I think that could be even more frightening!!! And according to the police reports, the girls remembered enough to tell the police what happened.

      They are also insulting girls who were molested by teenagers, by saying “Josh was just a kid.” I know of a few girls who were molested by 14-15 year old cousins. It was traumatizing to them. You can’t just take that reality away from them, and minimize the crime.

      If Josh really was repentant and taking responsibility right now for what he did, he wouldn’t feel sorry for himself right now. He wouldn’t be saying, “I realize if I continued down that path I would ruin MY life.” He would be standing up and telling Christian families–“Look, this could happen in your home. You need to talk to your kids about touch. About not keeping secrets. About who they can tell. You need to remove offenders from the home immediately and report it to the police. You need to get real professional help for offenders, and legitimate counseling for the victims. You should never force the victims to pretend like they are okay around their attackers. etc. etc. etc.”

      That is what they could have done.

      They had that opportunity to help raise awareness.

      But all they did was defend Josh, minimize sexual crimes, and use the victims for Public Relations.

      And I totally appreciate that you take seriously the word of God when it comes to your own circumstances. Not just taking a man’s word for what you should do, but really seeking God’s approval and His will (whatever that will be).

      God bless.

  4. Bryn says:

    Excellent post! My wife and I enjoy reading your thoughts. I praise God that you take the time to put this in writing to encourage others in the faith. I see a lot of Pharisee behavior in the church in America. It’s all about the white-washed tombs. Point fingers at the world and distract people from the institutionalized sinfulness of the professing Christians. But they are wolves. The patriarchy movement with the Duggars, the Bill Gothard group, the Vision Forum and Mark Driscoll, to name a few are deplorable to God. And each of us is just as easily tempted to go that route (though the Holy Spirit prevents the true children from falling away, I believe).

  5. In His light and love, Peggy

    I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God. who loved me and gave himself for me. Galatians 2:20

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  6. Truth Vigilantee says:

    As Jesus was about to go up to Jerusalem, He took the twelve disciples aside by themselves, and on the way He said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem; and the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and scribes, and they will condemn Him to death, and will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up.” Matthew 20; 17-19

    And again He took the twelve aside and began to tell them what was going to happen to Him, saying, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death and will hand Him over to the Gentiles. “They will mock Him and spit on Him, and scourge Him and kill Him, and three days later He will rise again.” Mark 10; 32-34

    From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day. Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to You.” But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.” Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it; but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Matthew 16; 21-27

    Prepare.

  7. Anonymous says:

    It never ceases to amaze and bless me when I find fellow brothers and sisters with whom God is sharing the same messages with, in these days. It is truly a time of repentance, and of fasting+prayer!!! We need to strongly stick together and encourage one another in these dark times. In reading this blog post, I literally felt like I was reading my own thoughts! THANK YOU for always sharing the truth and for not being afraid to stand for what is right in HIS eyes. May we all be so courageous!!!! ❤ (btw, I'm not sure how to leave comments or what to sign in with, so I think all of my comments say that they are anonymous. lol This isn't purposely- I just don't really know how this works yet! haha )

  8. Robin Johnson says:

    I read your blog often and was disappointed that you hadn’t written anything in a while. I’m glad you’re back. Your post is spot-on and I’m surprised that the comments are in agreement and not nasty, teeth-gnashing zealots in defense of the Duggars that I’ve seen on other blogs and Facebook — they are idols to too many people. I was appalled at how many were defending the Duggars and thought maybe something was wrong with my view of what he did and how it was dealt with in the family. You are so right that the church must clean up in order to be effective — judgement begins at the church and I think many, including me are not prepared for what is going to transpire..

  9. Anonymous says:

    First, let me start with I greatly appreciate your post…I believe God draws us to likemindedness with others through Himself as an Encouragement and Affirms us in His Word and in His Spirit. With saying that I almost always agree with you .. I agree that Christians should not try to cover up sin in the church but Expose it … I too have felt like evil is winning and cried out God Please show them your great Power .. When will You Lord stop the persecution of the ones who Love and serve You … I have been in a church where false teaching was brought in, that sounds much like the one you have been in and the righteous were being devoured by ones who are called fellow believers…heartbreaking and such a heavy burden as our family and church family endured the persecution. Thankfully God did release us from that church and the past 5 years have been a time of sweet fellowship in our new church home; however I am always on guard. Two times God has had me go to 2 pastors and warnof false teaching when they used verses from The message. They did not realize that New Age is all throughout that book…it’s not a Bible to me or even an accurate paraphrase, if there is such a thing … IT is False Teaching.
    So I truly agree with you almost everytime…however let me share my thoughts on Josh Duggar …
    Let me start and I shared this before … I was molested several times as a child in foster care: To God be the Glory for the priceless work He did for me thru that time and my whole life…Three different men over the course of 2 years. Then at age 10 and 15 I had 2 cousins try .. One was 14 and the other one was 12 … They were both at the age of puberty .. hormones along with much curiosity and confusion…one of them I believe to be a Christian the other one has two daughters that adore him and to my knowledge neither of them Ever have done anything to anyone else and neither were successful with me…one of them I lived with for 8 years .. We were more like siblings .. They were struggling with urges they did not know how to deal with! I would NOT want them to be listed as child molesters or pedophiles … They surely would have become that if they had been labeled that…with All of this said I do NOT condone their behavior nor do I condone Josh’s behavior .. But there is a Major difference in a 14 year old and grown men….a heated curious moment verses a perverted demonic lifestyle … Now could satan have worked in their lives Absolutely if they had fed those thoughts and allowed satan to carry them into perversion! Now the Duggars Faith being flawed maybe .. I haven’t watched the show but I did watch the interview on Foxnews and from what was said if it’s True … Josh went to his parents and told on himself, that carries a lot of weight with me, he didn’t get caught he was convicted of his actions and sought help…the parents said they didn’t send him to a rehabilitation program because of failure rates…I agree Most of them are failures .. Instead they sent him to work side by side for a period of time with one on one counseling and hard work. They made him pay for his counseling, he ask each victim to Forgive him…the parents Never let any of the boys and girls be alone together after this came out … They handled it seemingly well…of course they welcomed him back home .. He is their son, still a child. I have a 14 yr old son if he ever did anything like that I would seek Spiritual counseling for him..but at this age I would not throw him out .. But we would seek for Restoration in our Lord … We know our God is more than able .. Look what He did for King David…a murderer and adulterer…oh and then there is me…look what He has done for me….the granddaughter of a murderer, born into pure evil, alcoholism, fighting, mental illness, verbal and physical abuse…but Oh His Sweet, sweet Grace covered me … I should have at best been a prostitute strung out on drugs and alcohol….damage goods to many But not to God..to Him priceless and so is my family and so is Josh….
    My understanding of the situation is: there has never been another incident and we know if there had it would be out there Now…so it seems he Repented and God Forgave … Set him on a New path…
    I say all of this to make the point I have no mercy for an unrepented child molester…trust me I have a radar and I can feel the Evil when it is near me…
    I’m very protective of my children and grandchildren…but please know there is a difference in a hormonal 14 yr old and pedophiles … One more thing on this I also had a cousin who was 16 and he molested my brother and did become a pedophile walking in his fathers footsteps .. His father, my uncle molested me…. He was different at 16 than my cousins at 12 and 14 .. I can tell you there is a Major difference in what drives them and the type of act …a pedophiles is much more intrusive than a curious teen … A pedophiles is very manipulating and seeks out the most vulnerable …. My understanding of what he did was brushing up against the girls … Which he should NoT have done and maybe it was more but that is my understanding …
    This was and is a Dangerous place for these young boys and it needs to be dealt with in a Swift manner Bathed in Prayer and Scripture and appropriate punishment… Praise God for His Mercy, Grace and Forgiveness when there is Repentence!
    Please know I do Not believe in making excuses for such behavior but I believe in Swift and Just Action and an understanding of what a pedophile is vs a curious misguided teen! Let me also say teen boys should never be left to baby sit young girls .. Satan will use any opening he has to destroy our young children’s lives!
    Food for thought ..
    How about a young girl who is fatherless and become permisscuous seeking affection she longs for in a father .. Then thru counseling she repents and stops the behavior .. Is she a harlot? Or a misguided young teen who needs help? Driven by emotions vs driven by hormones both lead to disaster!

    Thanks for allowing me to share.
    Judy

    • Hi Judy,

      You have a very kind heart. I am deeply sorry for what you experienced in childhood.

      I have listened to many people who have had the same or similar opinions of yourself.

      I honestly think it comes from a place of kindness.

      But I disagree.

      1.) If the parents had handled this situation properly the first time Josh came to him, then 4 other girls would not be victims of molestation.
      2.) He didn’t just “brush” against them in their sleep. The girls remember what happened, and were able to talk to the police about it in 2006.
      3.) I read the police report. The youngest girl he molested was under 4 at the time of the incident. She described what happened as much more than just touching her vagina from outside her clothes.
      4.) Home remodeling is not counseling. He was at ATI ministry, which has materials that say that women can cause their own sexual abuse by not being modest enough.
      5.) The girls did not get the help THEY needed. In fact, that is why it came out. One of them wrote down what happened in a letter, and hid it in a book that the family lent out. That is a quiet cry for help.
      6.) The family had Josh apologize after being gone for only 3 months, and then brought him back into the house. That put the pressure on the girls to put the experience behind them and pretend like nothing happened. You don’t bring a molester back into a house with 1 previous victim, let alone 4.
      7.) You can’t just say that it doesn’t count because he was a teenager, curious, and hormonal. It counts. We don’t excuse teenage girls who commit murder, because she is just learning how to handle her extreme PMS anger. And no matter how horny a teenage boy gets, 99% of them don’t go after kids under 6. Josh did.
      8.) People are assuming that it never happened again. We don’t know for sure. Most victims never tell. This is why States are developing sex offender registries. The whole point is to warn the public, so these men who have even offended 1 time are not allowed access to children. The family should have done the right thing, because as a member of a large family, a church of large families and fellowship with other large families–he had continual access to many children. Even if he had an experience with Christ, that doesn’t make him safe. How many Christians still indulge their sinful desires every once in a while.
      9.) I think people need to be careful to not assume that this is okay behavior for teenage boys. We have already as a society accepted that most boys will masturbate and look at porn. But now to say that it is natural or understandable that they molest their sisters–that is a very scary slope. It makes me sick to my stomach.
      10.) I know you want to distinguish between a teenager who is “curious” as being different from an adult male pedophile. But the truth is, that adult male pedophile began molesting girls when he was a teenager. That is the sobering reality. “The typical offender is male, begins molesting by age 15, engages in a variety of deviant behavior, and molests an average of 117 youngsters, most of whom do not report the offense.”
      – Dr. Gene Abel in a National Institute of Mental Health Study

      Even if he got right with Jesus–wonderful–that doesn’t mean he gets a free pass with the legal system.

      You can’t excuse Christian murderers, just because King David did it.

      Josh needs to understand that God’s grace is sufficient. But suffering the natural consequences of his crime and taking responsibility for his actions does not make him a victim!!!

      His family should have taught him that the first day they found out what he did.

      Also, this teaches Christians, when this happens in their own houses to treat the offender like Josh Duggar–hide the sin, don’t tell the authorities and make a report (that could help if any other victims come forward), tell the victims to just pretend like it didn’t happen and act like you are one big happy family, don’t get counseling just prayer, and an “all things work together for good” Bible verse.

      Which focuses on helping the offender get away with crimes, but also ignores every need of the victim.

      It is wrong.

      It is unbiblical, actually.

      It is all so maddening.

      Anyways, just wanted to respond.

      God bless.

      • jujizig says:

        I went and read the police report….it said a friend of the family in her 60’s wrote down the details in a letter and stuck it in a book, not one of the girls…mix up somewhere…but if it was someone else it wasn’t a cry for help …. and if the report I read was wrong .. all I can say about the girls is two of them said on Fox they all received counseling…maybe they did or didn’t .. I can tell you I never received counseling outside of God … I never told anyone till I had my own children and hearing others share their stories and their lives turned upside down from it, broke my heart… So I shared that thru Jesus and Forgiveness it doesn’t have to ruin your life or relationships …. I carry NO baggage because He taught me to Forgive and I am ever so Thankful…So Maybe all the girls are happy and not struggling … I hope so but none of us know for sure ….

        I agree with you … they should Not trust him or allow him around children … There may be forgiveness but that does NOT mean there aren’t consequences and A breach of TRUST that may Never be restored…..

        Let me just say I agree after reading the report he did a LOT more than brushing up next
        To them…yes, it most definitely was molestation…not teen and hormones…not when someone is asleep and you take advantage of the situation and or a vulnerable child.

        Again I am NOT one to make excuses for anyone’s Sin, not my own, Not my children for that matter…. not a teen with hormones …. but I would not want them listed as sex offenders over brushing up next to someone … That was my understanding from the Fox show…obviously he did much more! .I still believe there is a major difference between a pedophile and a horny teen as you put it! I have looked into the eyes of pedophiles and I can tell you it is demonic….so either way we need to pray and protect our boys and girls from being taken over by their thoughts .. Teaching them to take every thought Captive and covering them under the blood of Jesus!

        As for Josh I pray he has Repented because regardless the day will come he stands before our Holy God who will hold him accountable unless he has repented! I pray for healing for the entire family and especially the young girls….I do not like to use the word victims because I am NOT a victim but an Overcomer in Christ and I pray this for them!

        The last thing I will reference is Romans 8:28 I believe you were referencing it …. for All things work for the good of those who love God according to His purpose and glory!
        I do not use it lightly….Sin is like cancer and consumes us if we look the other way but Our God is Faithful to All of us to use ALL things for our good when we allow Him to heal us and we forgive unjustified hurts in our lives…we too must always seek His Forgiveness and Grace!

        I believe we are mostly in agreement …
        Thank you again!

    • Tammy says:

      I agree with you Judy. I too had been molested both by young and older men who should know better. i too saw a major difference and the parents did get help for Josh then made sure there were new and better rules for protecting the other girls.

      I have read and listened to all the reports and the girls were forgiving of their brother and whose business is it anyway when God is the judge? Everyone was given counseling and it was good in their minds.

      the problem is the world at large is looking for anything and everything to say that Christians are awful people to appease their own consciences in not having to listen to those hypocritical Christians, and then we have Christians all too willing to go the opposite end of the spectrum and decide for God that there is no such thing as forgiveness.

      Josh and His parents actually told his soon to be wife and her family about this whole thing, that sounds like true repentance on the part of josh and his parents. That more than anything went a very long way in my opinion of this man and the situation he created when he was a teen.

      I do not think a pastor who has confessed to his sins should be allowed ever again to have a position of authority, Josh was a young boy and is not a preacher. David as a sinner was forgiven of the Lord and the Lord said of him a man after my own heart. We must be careful not to hold anything against someone that the Lord has forgiven.

      Who are we to decide if he is forgiven or not? Holding some one thing against someone else (like i see too much of with the Josh Duggar thing) is also accounted against us!!
      Mark 11:25 And when you stand praying, if you hold {anything against anyone}, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.” We are not sinless ourselves and let us never forget that!

      Our sins are well hidden because we are not in the spotlight, beware Christian of the ploys of satan helping you to hold someone much more accountable than you yourself are held, and forgive everyone everything so that the Father may forgive you.

      • lyn says:

        I would only remind all that not everyone who says they are a Christian truly are. This family adheres to a cult-type religion known as ‘quiverfull’. They believe they must populate the world in order to take it back for Christ – these are very unbiblical teachings.
        Read more at http://www.gotquestions.org/Quiverfull-Patriarchy.html

        • Tammy says:

          Gotquestions is a very biased site and i personally do not get answers from it. I only ever go to the bible for what the Lord has to say about anyone anywhere, and the Lord says not to hold anything against ANYONE anywhere.

          I know the majority of the world who call themselves Christian are nowhere near the definition from the bibles perspective of what constitutes a “Christian”.

          These people in this family are lovely people and have a high moral standard. Do any of us go telling the world of our past sins? I do not live in my past, only satan enjoys pointing out our past sins and telling us we are not worthy! Should we also be the ones to add to satans agenda by being accusers of the brethren?

          Do you know for absolute sure that the Duggars are this religion? I never heard them call themselves this religion.

          • lyn says:

            Whether or not ‘got questions’ is biased is unbeknownst to me. There’s no denying they defined the quiverfull movement accurately.
            As for the Duggars and their beliefs, you can google and find articles concerning the matter; you will also find they have ties with Bill Gothard…scary.

  10. Gossip that’s all it is. If I am not seeing the people say it themselves I pay no attention to it. I am not interested in gossip but out of their own mouths, and only their own mouths.

    No friend of the family no neighbors, just the family themselves. I have not seen them say this stuff themselves. Everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving.

    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. What will it take for you to be satisfied, what must happen to Josh to make you personally happy?

    Why are you so worried about what he is doing? Shall we hang him? Castrate him? Take his wife and children away? What will convince you God has forgiven him?

    Since when do you or I or anyone get to decide that a 14 yr old boy could have been the only one in the world who cannot be forgiven or have changed drastically into a man?

    He confessed. He sought help, he confessed to his wife to be and her parents!! That takes humility to confess such a thing to your hoped for wife and her parents.

    Confess your sins one to another and God is faithful to forgive. He did that!! What more do YOU want to see happen?

    Yes I agree there is way too much complacency in the church. Yes a lot of sin occurs within the church, one of the reasons I do not go to church, but should we rip to shreds someone who has shown tremendous humility, who obviously was trying to dupe no one, and is embarrassed half to death?

    Why can we not accept the families confessions and not listen to the gossips? There is so much more important things to do than to beat the dead horse over and over again.

    This is not Todd Bentley, nor none of the other preachers on television that cheat on their spouses. This happened when a boy was 14 and seriously isolated, with raging hormones, who confessed repeatedly to different people, he owned his sin let it go. This is all just fodder for the gossip mill.

    • I think one of the strangest things I have noticed with this scandal is that I have seen many Christians use the word “gossip” — as if it is a sin to talk about a national news story. This I am afraid is not gossip. The same people who say that it is gossip to discuss this tragedy, would have no problem speaking openly about Bill Clinton cheating on his wife, or Bruce Jenner wanting to change his gender, or Osama Bin Laden wanting to use airplanes to kill Americans.

      Like it or not, Josh Duggar is a celebrity.

      He committed a crime.

      The Freedom of Information Act, and a Judge released the documents.

      If the Duggars hadn’t have evaded police until 3 years had passed, Josh would have been charged with multiple felonies.

      The officer/family friend that they told in 2003 would face criminal charges for not reporting the crimes, but he is already in jail for child porn.

      It just gets worse and worse.

      You say, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. What will it take for you to be satisfied, what must happen to Josh to make you personally happy? Why are you so worried about what he is doing? Shall we hang him? Castrate him? Take his wife and children away? What will convince you God has forgiven him?” Nobody is trying to kill Josh. I don’t have a stone in my hand. But at the same time, you can’t say that God has forgiven him either. The only thing you can say is that God would forgive him. You don’t know his heart my friend. I don’t assume he is not forgiven, but I won’t go around pronouncing that he is forgiven. When Jesus told people that their sins were forgiven people freaked out!!! Because only God can say that. And even if he is forgiven by God, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t need to take legal responsibility for his actions on earth.

      But as for what it will take to make me happy–is for the CHURCH to stop defending and enabling child molesters. “He is sorry!” There are thousands of “sorry,” “Christian,” child molesters in this country, many of them are rightfully still sitting in prison right now. They should be sorry. I don’t feel bad for them that their sin is found out, that their crimes were in the newspaper, or that they are facing the consequences for their actions. I don’t care if they humbly admitted to what they did. They don’t get brownie points for admitting it. I don’t care if they are forgiven by God. I still don’t trust them around my kids. That is why churches don’t let “forgiven” child molesters serve in children ministry at church, even if they are sorry and Christian. Even if it happened over 10 years ago.

      What I want to see happen is for Christians to stop victimizing people who grieve, when news like this comes out.

      Comments like yours are EASY to give. They cost you nothing personally and they make you look super godly and generous. I am not saying that you are not super godly or generous. But Josh didn’t hurt you. You have no need to forgive him. Neither do it.

      But these type of comments do hurt broken people, who are trying desperately to understand why they can’t breathe and are having panic attacks as they read their Christian friends defend a person whose similar actions devastated their own lives. There is a collective guilt in our country because of this sin. And when Christians stand up and say that it is gossip to hold a child molester to account–we are telling victims of abuse that THEY are in sin for “gossiping” or not “forgiving” when they are really just crying out for JUSTICE–WHICH IS ALSO GOD’S VERY NATURE.

      A cry for justice is not gossip.

      In Corinthians, Paul deals with the same issue. The church was priding itself on it’s extravagant “grace” toward sexual sin, a type of sexual sin that even the non-believers knew was wrong. A form of incest. That is exactly what the church is doing with Josh Duggar.

      Paul says, “It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father’s wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned . . .” There is a place for mourning this sin/crime. We don’t have to move immediately from knowledge to dismissal/acquittal–especially when he admits he is guilty.

      “The sins of others should be our sorrow. Nay, churches should mourn for the scandalous behavior of particular members.” (Matthew Henry)

      I am mourning. Not throwing stones.

      I am judging–the churches wrong reaction.

      “And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

      For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,

      In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

      To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

      Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?” 1 Corinthians 5:2-6

      This will leaven the church. It has set a precedent with many families– to hide the abuse in their own homes, to handle it privately, to enable the abuser to escape consequences, and to silence the victims.

      People are focusing on the wrong thing. How many people defending the family have said (PUBLICLY) that if their own son molested one of their own daughters, they don’t know if they would call the police.

      Do you realize how scary that is?

      These are Christians.

      At this point nothing could happen to Josh to make me happy. I think personally think people should keep their kids away from him, but the way they are acting I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t help him open a daycare–just to prove how forgiven he is!!!

      But what really scares and upsets me is that Christians are rushing to defend him and his actions, without allowing people to grieve and react to this horrifying news.

      Anyone who was upset, or even triggered by their own past, seeing what was happening was labelled as a bad Christian–a judgmental gossip, someone who “can’t forgive.” But that is not true. That is a form of secondary abuse. That is what happens in a dysfunctional family when co-dependent enablers manipulate other family members to join them in protecting an abuser and pretending like “we are just one big happy family.” It is like saying, “If you don’t cover for and defend Josh, then YOU are in sin! You are gossiping! You are unforgiving!”–That isn’t truth; it is actually abusive.

      Anyways, this issue is very dear to my heart. I cannot help but react with sincere and deep emotion. As you may imagine it somehow strikes close to home. I will just admit that I have seen members of my own family cover for a pedophile, who calls himself a Christian. I have been called the bad Christian for taking a stand to protect kids from him. But guess what? I have no regrets. I will not be bullied into silence for a family freak or for a Christian celebrity that got found out.

  11. Tammy says:

    so heres the thing i do not talk about the things of the world unless it directly affects God’s word!! God’s word calls this gossip, the celebrity crap is all gossip and disgusting to boot.

    Why are Christians involving themselves in the world? Why are we not just plainly studying the word following the word and working our tails off making disciples of the world?

    Do you comment on and look for these stories? I don’t!! I am much busier looking at and learning how to become a better child of God and not looking to the left or the right, just keeping my eyes trained on the Lord.

    Scandals are scandalous gossip and disgusting. Who are you helping by castigating and passing off your judgment on Josh Duggar who was 14 years old when this happened, and confessed it repeatedly, did not try to hide it when it came out, did not lie about it nor deny it.

    Why do you think it is good for the child of God to without Love call Josh anything? He has barely been involved in the show, and yes i thought it was a bad idea and going to end bad for them when i saw that they were doing a show about this.

    So let me get this straight, you will never forget this never forgive it? Wow you are nothing like i thought you were when i stumbled across your blog. You are actually ridiculously the opposite end of the spectrum on this, and it is not even your right to have an opinion about it!

    I will say it one more time the man was not a man, He did not continue in this sin. He confessed it repeatedly “repeatedly”, sought help, and that was 13 years ago when He Was A Boy a boy a child. i pray nothing ever happens with any of your children if you have any, you wont forgive them and cannot for one moment believe that God would forgive how Dare God who knows hearts ever think to forgive a boy who got into disgusting mischief?

    Wow i am removing myself from your blog how disgusting you make me much more than the person who confessed and asked forgiveness and sought help for themselves. You have no forgiveness in you.

    i was molested for years and raped by my molester repeatedly and i forgave him when he asked me to and i know God has forgiven him too. Who are you really who are you to think this is your right to hold onto it? Gosh how disgusting!! You make me feel really bad for anyone who would wrong anyone anywhere, there is no such thing as forgiveness from you and again it is not even your right to hold this against him.

    You keep ignoring the fact that he was a child a child a child. You are way off base here as someone who went through years of molestation i have every right to stand up and say he confessed repeatedly and that takes a huge amount of humility to repent before people of your sins and yet you still keep harping on this one man, who had been a child a child!

    i am not lumping him in with others you are extremely busy doing that. You have formed now your own lynch mob, you have formed your opinion and do not esteem others above yourself not even God. The Lord tells us when and how He forgives sin so to know that the lord rushes to the humble and contrite is biblical. Isaiah 66:2 All these things my hand has made,
    and so all these things came to be,
    declares the Lord.
    But this is the one to whom I will look:
    he who is humble and contrite in spirit
    and trembles at my word.

    For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

    Psalm 51:17
    My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart you, God, will not despise.

    the man has lost his job now others are making up a whole boat load of crap to which you are unbenounced to yourself, adding fodder to the gossip mill with your soapbox. I find it really evil of you to think you have a right to judge him. Judge not another mans servant to his own master he stands or falls.

    Do you think God is going to thank you for belittling and castigating His child? How do you know Josh is not God’s child are you privy to God’s heart? What right do you have to choose who is and who is not forgiven? What right does any of us have to decide who is or is not forgiven?

    You have a heart of stone against one type of person no sin is any less than another nor is any greater than another all sin is transgression of the law, you are sinning yourself by fueling gossip and I know by knowing the word of god that you will not be thanked for adding to this whole mess.

    it is a war against Christianity and they are winning thanks to gossips such as yourself. It is also more scandal to draw our eyes away from everything else going on in this world, but especially this country. But hey have at your ridiculous notions of grandeur and you being Josh’s personal judge, or anyones for that matter.

    • I was going to reply to each of your statements, but I decided not to. For some reason it doesn’t seem like you are hearing what I am saying. What is the point?

      Anyways, I guess all I can say now is Good-Bye. 🙂

    • Praise Him says:

      tammy, you say this, “Do you comment on and look for these stories? I don’t!! I am much busier looking at and learning how to become a better child of God and not looking to the left or the right, just keeping my eyes trained on the Lord.” Why then do you come here and comment?!
      If you are that concerned with gossip, {by the way, reporting this story is not gossip, nor is it gossip to say the Duggars religion is similar to the quiverfull movement, who deny birth control} then you’d better never open your mouth or type a word, good or bad, about anybody ever – according to how you define gossip. It seems you are a ‘fan’ of the Duggars and only seek to defend your celebrity family, then you falsely accuse others here as a result of your loyalty to the Duggars. Perhaps you need to examine your own heart before you attempt to examine others. This is a must for ALL who profess Christ.

      Lyn

  12. Nahla Dobbin says:

    The family did NOT deal with this correctly…this is a crime and they circumvented the process. They don’t get to decide to do that! The family has put themselves out to the public as experts on godliness and morality, putting others down… all the while they knew what had happened to their own daughters! Speaking out about this is not gossip and judgment…the Bible is very clear what we are supposed to do when faced with sin among the brethren…so the poster (Tammy) is way off base, IMHO. Thank you for taking a stand for righteousness and truth–it is sorely needed today.

  13. Anonymous says:

    Your post brought me to tears. I am handing this out at our next church board meeting. Thank you. See you in the Kingdom. Praise the Lord.

  14. I just discovered your blog today, and thank you for speaking the truth about God as revealed in the Bible alone. I really resonated with what you said here:

    “I guess, what the Lord is telling me recently is that I need to prepare. I don’t know what for, but He has spoken to me that I need to get my priorities in order. I have been focusing on those things more and more, and especially in these last three weeks.

    He has also been impressing on me to purify my heart, and be even more obedient to His Holy Word.”

    The Lord placed it on my heart 6 years ago to stop watching TV, that there were subtle messages that were blocking me from being one with Him. More recently that we are very close to the end times, that all the signs are here, that Matthew 24 is for now, and that I need to strive to enter into the narrow gate, to walk more consistently with Him, and to let Him purify me from ALL unrighteousness.

    I believe whatever the Pope has planned to say to our Congress this month will be a pivoting point, that will begin to test us if we really believe the warnings of Scripture about the end of the world as revealed in the book of Revelation.

    Thank you for this strong reminder to let us be washed by His Word so that we can be renewed in our minds, and to do whatever it takes to shut off even the subtle corrupting voices that find their way to us through the media.

    Blessings!

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