Brian Head Welch and Todd Bentley–Calvary Chapel says, “He’s Not Backing Those Dudes”–Really?

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This blog is just an update on something I wrote back in November called, “Calvary Chapel–Is The Church Tolerating the Sin of Balaam and Jezebel.” It was about the ungodliness within the Whosoever movement, and how no one at Calvary Chapel would  answer my question–why are the Whosoevers being allowed to promote wickedness in their evangelistic efforts? During this time there was also a video called “The Whosoevers Exposed” that was being widely circulated. Many people were looking for answers. I was not alone.

Well, on November 14, 2014, Brian Brodersen (senior pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa) had Ryan Ries on a daily radio show on KWVE, called “Pastor’s Perspective,” to discuss the Whosoever movement, and respond to some of the objections people have to the ministry. You can listen to that program here. Basically, there was a lot of twisting, minimizing, and mocking of our serious concerns. I ended up writing a break down, and commentary of the show called, “My Response to Calvary Chapel’s Pastor’s Perspective on the Whosoever Movement.

Then the hype died down as everyone forgot about what happened, and the dirt was swept under the rug.

No one actually dealt with the issue.

But people forgot about it, and things went back to business as usual.

What can I do? It is frustrating, but life moves on. And this is in the Lord’s hands.

But I want to give a short update on the situation, in case anyone is interested. I watched a shocking video last Friday, which was posted by the Psalm86 channel (YouTube). Her name is S. Walker and her blog is called Reflections From the Wall. She has also written a series called,  “The Fruit of Brian Head Welch.”

Her video is important because one of the things that Brian Brodersen and Ryan Ries said in the interview was that it was okay for Brian Welch to associate with heretical false teachers for two reasons:

1.) They said his associations were OLD. They acted like these connections we see in videos online were from ten years ago. They said he has since matured in the faith.

2.) They said that Brian does not support those ministries. Ryan said, “He’s not backing those dudes.” That he is just a people watcher.

That is not true.

After they told listeners on KWVE that Brian is the real deal Christian who is out there doing the real ministry, Todd Bentley began promoting a conference where he is teaming up with Brian Head Welch.

Todd Bentley is a “minister” who apparently left his disabled wife and three children for his intern, and then decided to stay in ministry. Todd Bentley is a roll on the floor, drunk in the spirit, false teacher. Todd Bentley teaches that God told him to kick a lady in the face to get the Holy Spirit to move, and he did it. He says God tells him to hurt people, and he can share several examples. He is horrible.

If you don’t know who he is, please watch this very short video.

Now here is S. Walkers video:

When I saw this video I was blown away. Not that Brian was teaming up with Todd Bentley, I know that Brian is crazy enough spiritually to do that. What bothered me is that I thought that Calvary Chapel would have probably talked to him about the controversy he is causing, and he would be on his best behavior for a while! But no.

I guess I don’t know what is worse, touring with Korn and Slipknot or ministering with Todd Bentley.

So Ryan lied to us. Brian Brodersen gave him a platform on KWVE and Ryan told us that Brian Head Welch is not backing false teachers. Most of us knew he was; Brian doesn’t hide it. But he is STILL teaming up with false teachers. He was going to minister with a guy that kicks women in the face who are desperate for an experience with God (no matter how fake that experience would be). It is cruel. It is demonic.

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I went to the event website a little bit ago and I see that the event has been cancelled due to scheduling difficulties. But as of January 22 it was still being heavily promoted.

Here is a description of what the plan was going to be:

FFM Healing Center March 6-7 @ 7pm Nightly. This Event Is Limited in Seats and You must Register below!

SPECIAL ENCOUNTER GOD EVENT!

Join us for this amazing “Encounter God” weekend March 6-7 with Special guest Brian “Head” Welch of the band KORN. Brian and Todd Bentley will minister together and Brian will share some of his life experiences and testimony and join Todd in ministry each evening. This is a up close and personal setting to meet and hear for yourself Brian’s amazing story. There will be worship each night with upcoming indie/Alt rock band LUMA lead by Kristen and Travis Estes. Each night there will be healing ministry and Impartation too.

Don’t miss this Special Event at the Fresh Fire Training and Healing Center. YOU MUST REGISTER AS SEATS ARE LIMITED! Direct Link to Register now!

I also want to add another video by S. Walker. In this video you will see Brian Welch in a church group and he is ministering and sharing. He talks about how in church black angel feathers fall on him. And he gets gems from heaven. And all sorts of strange manifestations. These people are wacky. It is another recent connection with false teachers and extreme movements. But Calvary Chapel just softly laughs and then lets their sheep follow this false teacher.

“But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.”

(2 Corinthians 11:12-15)

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74 Responses to Brian Head Welch and Todd Bentley–Calvary Chapel says, “He’s Not Backing Those Dudes”–Really?

  1. Aaron says:

    In all fairness, he may have posted that photo in January 2015 and those videos from YouTube may have been uploaded recently as well but they are old. Head has dreads now and his hair looks nothing like that. As far as them teaming up together, I don’t know anything about it. I may listen to his music outside of Korn but I’ll never let him be a mentor spiritually to me.

    • It doesn’t matter when they took the picture I guess. The thing that bothered me is that he was teaming up with Todd Bentley recently to do ministry together. That is outrageous.

      • suez62 says:

        Besides all the other garbage,,,,The thing that bothers me, is the obvious devil hand signs!! The way he is holding his fingers is a sign of devil worship!!! He knows exactly what he is doing, and proud of it. Devil worshiper, not a worshiper of Jesus Christ. He is making the sign of the devil horns,,,,one would have to be blind not to see it…:( It is quite obvious all of these people are deceivers, and put out there to lead blind sheep astray. Wake up Church,,,while there is still time!

    • Jill says:

      Aaron what difference does it make? Todd Bentley’s IG CLEARLY has promotions of Welch teaming up with Bentley. Even recent pictures (December/ish)!! The thumbnail pic of Welch with Bentley and King IS old yes but she obviously, if you make time to actually watch and listen to the videos, she says she wanted to show that Welch has been connected with these peeps from the get go.

  2. mywordlikefire says:

    Reblogged this on My Word Like Fire and commented:
    The Last Hiker gives much credit to S. Walker (Psalm86 channel on YouTube) for her investigation in all this. You can see her videos in this article. Great work by The Last Hiker and S. Walker. Walker also has a blog, http://www.reflectionsfromthewall.net/.

  3. bree says:

    It doesn’t suprise me. Brian feels he is untouchable and has gotten away with so much deception and blatant heresy he doesn’t feel any need to stop. And this so called ministry with bentley is something not even ryan can make an excuse for. They are so blind they can’t even see the error of their ways, he is as false as they come.

  4. This type of FALSE TEACHING is sickening to me. Gods Spirit of Truth that dwells in me is gentle, peaceful, and would never ask me or anyone else to do any harm, or anything that would appear to be harm, onto another. These types of false witnesses will certainly have their day before the One name who is above all names… Jesus the King of Kings and Lord of Lords will administer the justice that is due to these followers of Satan!

  5. Martin says:

    Do you have a ministry other than this ministry to Christians, in which you personally preach the gospel to people who are not Christians?

    • Truth Vigilantee says:

      That is not necessary to justify this ministry of hers, as some are called more to warning and discernment. But we all are witnesses of the Lord, either good or bad. I’m sure she does but can’t speak for her. As for me, I do both as well, and I will boldly continue to do both.

    • I was trying to figure out how to answer this. I will just say that I do serve every week in ministries that not only preach the gospel but also disciple. I don’t want to toot any horns, or feel the need for self promotion. If what I am saying is true, and it lines up with the Bible–I am very content to stand in the background. This blog is certainly not a huge part of my life. I only write every couple months or so, when a burden rises up in my heart.

      • Truth Vigilantee says:

        Hi!
        ( :
        I know these types, they try to find any reason to condemn the work of discernment ministries. If the Lord told you to do it, you don’t need to justify it to anyone. It’s in the bible that we need to warn the sheep.

        • I totally agree. I couldn’t tell if it was a serious question or if it was someone just implying (like Brian Brodersen) that I am just someone who sits in my basement and writes critical things about the people who are “really doing ministry.” I don’t at all want to give into that manipulation, but at the same time if he is sincerely asking without implying anything I don’t mind just a general assurance that I do obey the Lords command to go out and make disciples. Anyways, thank you for understanding, and encouraging me to not feel the need to justify myself. God bless you.

          • Martin says:

            Please don’t read too much into my question, if you do have a ministry or other blog targeting people who are not Christians, I would like to subscribe to that one too. I like the way you write, I like that you expose your heart, if you are evangelising elsewhere I might be able to learn from you.

            Accusing is the job of the Accuser, we do not work for the Accuser, we work for the Redeemer. If I wanted to make an accusation I could have done so plainly.

            God bless you x

          • Truth Vigilantee says:

            Hi!

            Just as a note that I am not ‘accusing’ anyone, but I do know that type. I have seen so much of that sort of demand for ‘justification’ for having a discernment ministry, the list is long. It’s like “yes, but do you do _____? because if not….” and “have you ever held a ‘real’ church leadership position, and if not, what makes you think you are authorized to warn…” and the list goes on. Honestly it just sounded like so much of those familiar tunes and I wanted to defend you and remind you that you don’t need to justify yourself to them.
            ( :
            I’m not assuming I know that person’s heart, but I find he has a lot of defending going on here himself. I agree with that one commenter that this is one of their ‘lines’ that they use to try to silence us. Anyone doing any sort of discernment and warning is called ‘satan, the accuser of the brethren’. Sure, that is true of satan, he accuses the real brethren. And it is true of the apostate church as they accuse us (real brethren) of critiquing them. We are doing what we are supposed to do, discern and warn. That does not make us ‘accusers.’ But on that note, I would also be on guard against anyone who, being aware of a blog like yours, tries to find out about more of your ‘ministries’ and perhaps get closer to you… in person, once they know who you are, if you know what I’m saying. Just be careful.

            God bless you sister!

      • Justadude says:

        I have attended a few Whosoever events at Ryan’s home church and I must say that the pastor that usually speaks, his name is Sean McKeon, always speaks biblically and teaches biblically. Every time I have heard him, he says that compromise is NOT an option in Gods church. But when I see Head hanging out with heretics and CC brass laughing about it, it gives me great concern. I was involved in a small church in the LA area years ago that was totally bible based. A younger pastor took over that church and it eventually became an emergent church that now calls itself Mosiac. Needless to say, I left, but not without voicing my concerns. I am very sensitive to these types of things. I will continue to pray for the leadership at church. If they are doing wrong, they will be held responsible not to us, but to the Almighty.

    • Ballerina says:

      Martin you wrote: “Accusing is the job of the Accuser, we do not work for the Accuser, we work for the Redeemer. If I wanted to make an accusation I could have done so plainly.”

      That is the exact lingo that Bill Johnson and those in the charismatic movement use to detour watchman from warning.

      As I wrote once in one of my entries: “If deception or false teachers weren’t such a big deal, why did Jesus warn so earnestly about not being deceived? Why did the Apostle Paul write so much about being leery of false teachers?

      6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. – Galatians 1:6-9

      17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. -Romans 16:17&18

      “…naming a false teacher or false prophet is godly. It is our responsibility to
      the sheep when they are teaching “destructive heresy” that is leading people
      away from the truth of the gospel and therefore away from Jesus and to
      hell.

      Many claim doing so is “persecution.” Heretics are not being
      persecuted! If they preach another gospel and another Jesus, then they are not
      brothers and sisters in the Lord, they are not part of the Body of Christ, but
      apostates! Separating ourselves from them is therefore, not causing division in
      the Body but is making a distinction between the Bride and the counterfeits, and
      drawing a line in the sand.

      Paul named those in error…
      Hymenaeus and Alexander (1 Tim. 1: 18-20)
      Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Tim. 2:15-18)
      Demas (2 Tim. 4:10)
      Alexander the coppersmith (2 Tim. 4:14-15)
      John named Diotrephes (3 John 9)
      Jude 1:3-4”

      It is actually UNLOVING to not warn people of heresy and heretics.

      Furthermore, The Last Hiker, or myself, or anyone for that matter has no obligation to air what we do for The Lord in regards to the lost, for public display. Jesus said to not even let our right hand know what our left hand is doing. Thus, The Lord knows what I, and Hiker, do with our time to bring in the lost. Discernment ministries are a bit different because it is warning, and in that entails more of an open exposure. So please, Martin, don’t judge what you don’t agree with. Take care and God bless you.

      • Martin says:

        Ballerina, in context, what I wrote about accusing applies to me, but I must confess I was having a little poke using the word “we”, in order to invite further discussion.

        I seem to have hit a nerve.

        I have made no accusations, yet it appears I am being accused of making accusations and judging, by people who seem to believe they can read my mind. Am I not being judged? Just because something I wrote sounds similar to something someone else said, does not make me believe everything that the other person believes or teaches, it does not automatically make me “one of them”. I have never heard of Bill Johnson. You have not met me, you don’t know me, you have no idea what I believe or what church I attend, yet you seem to jump to the conclusion that I am attacking The Last Hiker.

        I love The Last Hiker.

        I chose to follow this blog because I enjoy what The Last Hiker writes and I find myself in agreement. I am quite frankly a little surprised at the adversarial stance being taken against me here, where I would have expected cool headed rational discourse in the Spirit of grace. I have not said anything to defend the people who are being named. I am grateful for the watchmen/women, I have not spoken out against them. The Last Hiker does discernment ministry well. If discernment ministry is done this well, is it not reasonable for someone reading it to wonder how good their evangelism ministry might be, and want to share in it? If evangelism was meant to be kept secret, we would never have had the words of our Lord recorded for us, or His apostles.

        Can you find it in your heart to imagine that my questions may be sincere, and that I am not looking for an opportunity to accuse? If anything someone says can be taken in more than one way, it is better to first ask a question to clarify before assuming the worst.

        If you do not have an evangelistic ministry (and I’m not saying you don’t) you are not alone, and if you don’t there is no need to be defensive about it. According to Bill Bright, 98% of Christians don’t actively share their faith with people who are not Christians, and I believe him, this has been my observation in the many different churches I have attended since around 1982. Sharing the gospel should be like giving someone a gift on their birthday, there should be no obligation.

        Any gospel with an obligation attached to it would be “a different gospel”.

        If Christians are not able to share the gospel, there is something wrong. I’m not saying the reason is that anyone who does not share their faith is not a Christian, but it could be that they are Christians in chains. I mean chains metaphorically, mental chains, there is either some mental block preventing Christians from sharing their faith, or they are not Christians.

        I believe there are mental blocks, there is something wrong with what Christians believe that prevents them from sharing their faith.

        • bree says:

          Division is of the devil.

        • Ballerina says:

          Martin, I went back and re-read the whole entire thread. Its no fault on you per-se, but the timing in which you asked your question seemed off topic. Thus it came off as if you were possibly being subtly passive aggressive and/or even “kindly” antagonistic. If it seemed as if I was making assumptions on your heart and motives I apologize. I cannot speak for Hiker or anyone else who has commented here, but most if not all, the off topic comments/emails I receive (and observe on other people’s threads etc) usually start off with off topic subtle accusations on “do you even share the gospel” and then after more interaction then the commenter starts to show their true colors in their distaste for discernment stuff. Very rarely have I ever seen it go differently than that. With the exception of your explanation. In that, I apologize if you feel that I attacked you or judged you. God bless and take care. 🙂

          • Anonymous says:

            My question was off topic because I don’t have any other means of communicating with The Last Hiker other than through posting in comments here. If a random question pops into my head, whatever it might be, I don’t have anywhere else to ask it if I want to discuss it with The Last Hiker. If you want to know more about me, I have nothing to hide, I expose my heart on Facebook, if you like you can look me up, I live in Australia and my full name is Martin Glass. My profile pic shows me wearing a black sweater with a white shirt under it and I am leaning against a brick wall. I enjoy disagreements because I always learn something, disagreements don’t have to be nasty, and they don’t get that way if we’re open minded enough to try and understand each other and see things from each others perspectives. I have some beliefs I know are controversial, but I don’t try to hide them and prefer to discuss them openly, that way my logic can be tested and corrected if necessary. We’re all works in progress, I’m learning and growing all the time and loving it. God bless you x

  6. Truth Vigilantee says:

    Yes, the bible tells us the wicked will grow more wicked at the end. And then in enter those who call evil good, and good evil. (ex: promoting evil is called good, but criticizing promoting evil is called bad). I only expect their evils to continue. The blind will not see it for the evil that it is and will only become more blind in order to justify it. You can’t trust any of these ‘leaders.’

    Blessings!

    • It is so true, and it makes me want to rip out my hair and beg people to see that this is wrong! In love, and desperation. I just don’t understand how this is being spun and promoted by what used to be a trusted and well respected church group. May God raise up a prophet that they will listen to, to warn them.

      • Martin says:

        The prophet you are waiting for, might be you 🙂 x

        • suez62 says:

          I’m sure you meant no wrong, but sometimes we just have to check what we wrote, and maybe re-phrase things, so people may not take it wrong. I know I have to do that all the time!!! 🙂

          • Martin says:

            If someone isn’t sure, they should ask, I get the feeling too many people these days look for opportunities to “take things wrong”, its almost like they enjoy being offended so they get the opportunity to fight with someone, its like they feed off conflict. I’m tired of trying to be politically correct to please everyone and worrying about what they might think, their thoughts are their thoughts, not mine, and nobody can read anyone else’s mind. I know I’m not going to make everyone happy all of the time, if we discuss things in the Spirit of grace we can clear up misunderstandings, I would expect this Spirit of grace to prevail on Christian blogs. There is enough war going on in the world without us tearing each other apart. I don’t mean by saying this that The Last Hiker should not do what is being done here, as it is obvious there is a serious problem in these “churches” and it should be brought to light.

            The word “ekklesia” which is translated as “church” means “those called out”, we are called out of the world, and we don’t need to be worldly to bring others out of the world.

            I keep wanting to refer to The Last Hiker as “she”, would I be correct?

            @The Last Hiker, it occurred to me that I may have upset you with my question, as I clearly seem to have upset others. Please accept my apologies if I did, that was not my intention, I was inviting discussion. I feel like I want to give you all a hug 🙂

          • I wasn’t upset! 🙂 You should see some of the comments that I don’t post! LOL

          • And I forgot to answer your question. Yes I am a she. And I don’t have any other blogs. God bless 🙂

          • suez62 says:

            Does anyone know Mike Hoggard? I seen a discussion about him on here one time, and would like to get in touch with the gal that used to follow him, but now DOES NOT! Anyone know who I am talking about? Can you remember Hiker??? Thanks

      • suez62 says:

        Are there prophets in these days, as far as like the prophets of old? I’m not so sure on that myself. I know we can prophesy, but that means a couple different things, one meaning to preach and proclaim Jesus Christ! I know we can have in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, words of wisdom and knowledge, but I don’t know about prophecy/prophet, like was wrote in the Bible. I may be wrong on that. But, it says in the Bible, if anyone adds to or takes away, a curse is upon them….paraphrased by me. I do believe God can give warnings in visions and dreams, but that doesn’t happen a lot. But, it can happen, as even I have had a couple dreams come to pass, that I had way back in the 1980’s. But, they were nothing I advertised. I just shelved them, and in the last few years, I see now what they meant, as they have came to pass…:) There will be the two witnesses s, but they are sent by God for a special purpose!!!

        • When I think of the word prophet, I am just thinking of one who “speaks forth” the words in the Bible in a way that the Lord uses. I don’t mean it in the sense of adding to Scripture. I understand your concern. I think people in the Pentecostal movement who go around telling people that they are prophets have given such a bad name to the gift, which is just used to comfort and correct (according to Scripture). Thank you for bringing that up Suez62. I needed to clarify!!! God bless!!!!

          • Martin says:

            I meant prophet in the same way you describe, not as understood by Pentecostals 🙂

          • suez62 says:

            Amen to both of you!!! Been there, and seen that years ago. Never again, by the grace of God!!!!

          • suez62 says:

            Thank you I appreciate that. Yes and a lot those in the “pentecostal/charismatic”, movement have did much damage, and are still going full steam ahead,,,,sadly. Thanks be to God, the Lord has opened many of our eyes and lead us out of that junk! Hiker, do you remember the post that you wrote, that people had commented about Mike Hoggard? I would like to go back and re-read that, but I can’t find it, nor remember which one folks were discussing him on. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks

          • You know, I don’t remember! I will see if I can search for that in the comments.

          • Okay, I found it. It was on the Son of God movie one, but there are so many comments it would take a long time to find it. It was posted by Mia LaRock here it is:

            I am not surprised, I couldn’t stand the other one they did, I NEVER planned on watching this one. Neither did I watch the tv series she played in. If it’s popular it’s not Jesus The Christ. I don’t even watch the (false) teachers, preachers, evangelists & self appointed apostles on tv nor do I even watch tv these past few years! Your description of it all was great. You defended the Faith perfectly. Enjoyed it very much! Everybody wants an “easy” translation of The Word of God they don’t realize the changes in all these watered down Bibles so they have “fallen away” from The Way. I recommend you give Pastor Mike Hoggard a listen. He’s a King James Bible preacher/teacher/shepherd in Festus, MO. He does a great job in unveiling the leaven & exposing the evils deceptions. You can find many years of his teachings on utube. It is truely a sorrowful state the “churches” are in these past years. Looks like a rock concert, bee hive of busyness or a country club social cliche’s. There is no Fear of The Lord. Throwing “religious” words around for social acceptance tickling ears. Thanks for your grounding in The Word it’s encouraging to hear other REAL believers & followers of Jesus being ALERT, AWAKE, SOBER, VIGILENT & baring fruits of The Holy Spirit. The Lord Bless you & keep you UNTIL His return, even yet Lord COME Maranatha Lord Maranatha!

          • suez62 says:

            Thanks so much for looking Hiker, but that isn’t the one. It was exposing Hoggard as a false teacher also…One of the ladies was named Margie, and the other one was a couple that used to attend his yearly meetings, and then left because he was preaching falsely 😦 But thanks for trying, I appreciate it! 🙂

  7. Truth Vigilantee says:

    On another note, someone referred to Bill Bright of CCC. Well, not to burst anyone’s bubble, but Bill Bright is a false teacher. He is an ecumenist in bed with Rome. He promotes the RCC. This can be verified by googling: Bill Bright, heresy. Some sites of interest that I saw:
    “Campus Crusade for Christ (Crusade for who?)” and “Last Days Watchman” among others on the list. The visible church has been infiltrated by many including the Jesuits who want to lead the Protestants back to the RCC. Most (if not all) famous ‘Christian’ leaders like Billy Graham are on that list and the fruit is evident. Billy Graham removed warnings about the Jesuits in a bible handbook. Luis Palau hands out rosaries at his ‘crusades,’ and the list goes on… We see this fruit exploding all around us with Rick Warren and false teachers uniting with the pope. We do share our faith, and that includes to lost Roman Catholics and those lost in the apostasy of today in the churches. We are snatching them from the very clutches of hell. It is an act of love.

    On yet another note…one way satan woos us is by stroking our egos.
    (Not an accusation, just a comment.) (( :
    I do believe that the spiritual gifts are for today (prophesy is a gift too), and gifts cease when that which is perfect comes; the kingdom of heaven, when we see Him face to face. But that has nothing to do with all the false self proclaimed ‘prophets.’
    ( ;
    God bless until the next time!

  8. Martin says:

    Truth Vigilantee, Bill Bright is dead.

    I read Bill Bright’s book because it seemed to me he was passionate about preaching the gospel, I found his book very inspirational and he didn’t once mention RCC in it. I liked his book and I didn’t see anything heretical in it. I was looking for a book written by someone who actively goes out and talks to people about Jesus, and Bill Bright seemed to fit the bill (no pun intended).

    Could you perhaps recommend any good books written by people who go out and meet people on the streets in face to face evangelism? I’m looking for ideas to try out myself.

    • bree says:

      I think the best book you could read is the bible. There you can read about true men and women of God preaching,teaching and living Godly lives. I find that there is so much false teaching and doctrine out there, but God gave us His word to answer all our questions and to give strength and inspiration from the many stories of true believers:)

      • Anonymous says:

        I do read the bible Bree, in Acts I see a very different church than what I see today. In Acts I see rapid growth and persecuted Christians preaching the gospel wherever they were dispersed to. I don’t see that today, instead I see Christianity is the laughing stock of the secular world. Before Stephen was martyred, the disciples of Jesus were liked by nearly everyone. The nearest I’ve seen to this was the Cathars, but RCC slaughtered them, no group since seems to have come close. The Cathars were so well liked that when inquisition crusaders came to kill them, even some Catholics chose to stay and fight to protect the Cathars against the inquisition. I never once in university had any Christian preach the gospel to me, at a time when Campus Crusade for Christ was in full swing, yet I managed to get recruited by a cult. I endured years of torment as a result of the damage done to me by the cult, and during those years (12 years!) never had a Christian preach the gospel to me. I eventually got invited to church by my sons nursery school teacher, but the nursery school was attached to a church and I choose the school, if I had chosen a different school I may never have been invited. I’m digging back through church history searching for where things went wrong, and the wolves in sheep’s clothing stand out like sore thumbs yet they are lauded as being the church. I’m learning so much and if God is willing I hope to publish a book about it, hopefully tearing down the walls that prevent Christians from going out and being workers for the Lord. I have a feeling that many of the people who were branded heretics and burned at the stake, and their writings also burned, were not heretics, they were the real church, and what they believed was not heresy, it was true.

        • Ester Bunnie says:

          You say that you’re ‘digging back through church history searching for where things went wrong..’. To answer that question, perhaps you should consider that the root of the Christian faith is a Jew whose earliest followers were all Jews and who after accepting Yeshua (Jesus) as the promised Messiah walked in His ways as instructed by God through His word. That is where the power is because all believers are grafted into the root as spoken of in Romans 9-11 … the root of the good olive tree – Israel. And ‘if their (the Jews’) rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance (of their Messiah) be but life from the dead?’ (Romans 11:15). If you want to see people saved, pray for the salvation of the Jewish people and testify to every Jew who comes across your path that Yeshua is their Messiah. Many Messianic Jewish ministries such as Jewish Voice and Chosen People just to name two, have material on how to witness to Jewish people… ‘for I am not ashamed of the good news, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew FIRST, and also to the Greek’. (Romans 1:16) It is not that Jews are better, more worthy, more open … certainly, we are not. But the truth is that God redeemed a people who were not a people and gave them everything needed to live according to His holiness. So when Yeshua showed up in human flesh, how did He live? What did He teach? Everything we read in the New Testament is that His life was consistent with what His Father established in the Old Testament – isn’t that what you would expect? God shows up and He doesn’t break His own word – He keeps it. So walk in His footsteps and conform yourself to the God of Israel, the God of your deliverance .. not to man-made church edicts which have removed believers from any form of ‘Jewishness’ (read about the church councils throughout the centuries to find out more). ‘Jewishness’ is what God created (He is the Creator, after all) – the pattern He laid out in which those who are redeemed are to walk, whether Jew or gentile. This is the pattern of obedience and power.

          Sorry I went a bit off-topic on this article, but I am fully convinced that if gentile and Jewish believers in Yeshua would embrace their heritage fully – become like Ruth – ‘your God will be my God and your people will be my people’, then some of these scandals occurring in the ‘church’ wouldn’t happen. Why? Because God fully laid out for us how His followers are to act/live/worship. Since the church has been stripped of this, there is a void, a vacuum, which any crazy foolishness rushes in to fill…

          • Martin says:

            Hey Ester, I was in a Hebrew roots group for 2 years. Jesus spoke Greek to Greek speaking Jews, they were Hellenized. If by Jewishness you mean Jewish orthodox, you are talking about the Pharisees, the people Jesus opposed the most, calling them blind guides and a brood of vipers, whose father is the devil and who are sons of Gehenna, yet this seems to be the Jewishness embraced by the Hebrew roots movement. They preach that we should all still be observing Torah, all 613 commandments, yet it is impossible to do so. There is no Levitical priesthood, there is no temple, our Father destroyed the temple twice for good reason, and He raised up Alexander the Great with good reason too, it was no accident the world was Greek when our Messiah came, even the majority of the Jews were Greek, just as today Jews are every other nationality of the world, and secular Jews greatly outnumber religious Jews. If we are to obey the law, we are to obey all of the law, all 613 commandments, otherwise we are guilty of breaking all of the law. We are not to observe the law in Messiah, we died when we put our faith in Messiah, and the law, the marriage covenant, is only in effect while we are still alive. As we died, the covenant of law is no longer in effect over us and we are free to marry another, Messiah. In Messiah we have been set free from the law of sin and death, and the law of Messiah has been written on our hearts. So now, that which seems good for us to do, we must do, and that which does not seem good for us to do, we must not do. The Hebrew roots and other Sabbath keepers such as SDA I have personally come across are legalistic, sitting in judgement on the rest of the Christian world telling us “you must”, and I find debating them tiresome due to the logical fallacies made in their arguments, and their avoidance of responding to questions they cannot answer. I choose not to enter into debate with them, I have nothing to prove, I have no argument to win, Jesus has done it all, it was finished on the cross.

            http://hebrew4christians.com/Articles/Redux/redux.html

    • You might like to read “The Cross and the Switchblade” about the evangelical work of David Wilkerson. He was an amazing man of God.

      • bree says:

        Yup! That is a great read! My brother graduated from teen challenge and now runs a home for them in las vegas. He gave me a copy and it was amazing!

  9. Becky Merrill says:

    Thank you for all the hard work and research it takes to put your warnings together.

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  11. Jen Rakhshani says:

    Thank-you so much for your ministry Last Hiker.

    Yea this whole CCCM/Whosoever’s is a sad sad case… so much deception out there and many are going right along in it… I fear for CCCM. and the way it is going.

    Here is a real good short video Emergent Watch made of the Pastor’s Perspective Program with Ryan that day… You can see how they totally laughed this all out and covered up for Brian.

    Keep up the good service… it is not in vain in the Lord. God bless!

  12. Martin says:

    Not sure what happened, but for some reason my comments came up as Anonymous instead of Martin, but I did exactly the same thing as when I first commented.

    • Ester Bunnie says:

      I couldn’t respond above to your comments about the ‘Hebrew Roots’ movement because there was no ‘Reply’ link. I have heard the term, but must admit I am ignorant of what they teach. However, my original post was simply a suggestion that when you are ‘digging back through church history to find out what went wrong’ that you examine decisions made at various church councils against the Jews. My suggestion is that is where the church went – and continues to go – wrong. Just because there are people out there who go overboard in this area doesn’t mean that their premise is incorrect.

      You say: ‘the covenant of law is no longer in effect over us’ but yet, ‘the law of Messiah has been written on our hearts’. What ‘law’ exactly is it that is written on our ‘hearts’ if ‘the covenant of law’ is no longer in effect? What ‘law’ of Messiah is there if not the Torah? Yeshua made no new law (no … not even to ‘love one another’), but lived the Torah perfectly, and He is the pattern for our lives because He is the Word of God embodied in human flesh. Later you say: ‘So now, that which seems good for us to do, we must do, and that which does not seem good for us to do, we must not do.’ If that’s true, then Brian ‘Head’ Welch is doing just fine, because he’s just doing what seems good for him to do.

      But your argument is wrong – we know what obedience is and there is a standard for it, based in the Torah. If there is no standard, then anything and everything anyone does is just fine. Also, if there is no law then we can’t tell sinners they need to be saved. Saved from what? Without a standard, no one is accountable. And if there is no standard then no one is a ‘sinner’ either because there is no sin. But we do know that God will judge … and what will He use to judge? What is His standard? His Torah. We who are of His household are to live by His rules. Those who are outside don’t live by His rules. We show ourselves to be His followers by our obedience to what He has established as the standard for those who walk after Him.

      I agree that we cannot keep the 613 commandments — we can’t keep the letter — but we can keep the spirit of the Torah, especially since we are now the ‘temple’ and the ‘priesthood’ if we are born-again believers. When Yeshua condemned the Pharisees it was because they had ignored the weightier matters of the Law such as mercy and compassion while focusing on the minutiae. Just because some are legalists does not negate our responsibility to God for our obedience since ‘judgment begins in the house of God’. To refuse to obey negates the roles of God as Lawgiver and Judge.

  13. Martin says:

    Hi Ester, we can discern right from wrong without law, Paul writes in Galatians 5 that the acts of the sinful nature are obvious. When I said we must do what seems good to us to do, I meant as Christians after we have received the Holy Spirit, I didn’t mean everyone. There are many things Jesus commanded that are not in Torah, and many things in Torah that Jesus made no mention of. One example would be “anyone then who does not give up everything they have, cannot be my disciple.” Jesus did not come here to live, He came here to die, and He called us to follow Him. He set the bar so much higher than the standard required of Torah, telling a rich young ruler who claimed to have kept Torah since he was a boy to “sell your possessions and give to the poor”, after which the Torah keeping ruler left despondent. If you want to be justified by keeping Torah, then you must keep it perfectly, as Jesus said “be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect”. Its either law or grace, you cannot mix the two, either you are saved by grace through faith in the finished work of Jesus on the cross, or you are saved by keeping all 613 commandments perfectly. If you put any value whatsoever on keeping even 1 command of Torah and believe that by doing so you are contributing to your own salvation, then you are devaluing what Jesus did on the cross. So you need to make a choice. Either 100% faith in Jesus, or keep all of Torah perfectly. You cannot mix the two and be saved, as any faith in Torah, is some faith that is not in Jesus. The only way to be saved is through faith in Jesus, and we are saved from ourselves, we are saved from being here, as here is not the garden of Eden. We cannot possibly meet the standard set by Jesus without the Holy Spirit, we need to let Jesus do it for us, through us, so that it is no longer us who live, but Christ in us. Jesus said not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until everything was accomplished, everything was accomplished on the cross, where Jesus said “it is finished”.

    Did you read the article in the link I posted? It probably better addresses your arguments than I can.

    • ester bunnie says:

      Thanks for your reply Martin. You and I will have to simply agree to disagree. Yeshua did come here to live, then to die, and in His living showed His followers the way Torah is supposed to be followed. Unfortunately, human beings do not think grace and ‘law’ can be combined, but they have been since the Garden of Eden. The fact that God did not do away immediately with Adam and Eve was His grace, and yet He also required the blood of a living being at the same time – that is His ‘law’. The fact that God delivered the children of Israel out of bondage first was His grace, and then He established the way in which they were to walk, was His ‘law’ or better translated as His instruction. They have ALWAYS existed side by side – not for salvation – that I agree with. But once a person is saved, they will keep the Torah inscribed on their hearts which is in full accord with the written Torah. It is not the 613 commands, but it is the weightier matters of the Torah to which the 613 point. And yes, that would include keeping the Sabbath at the end of the week, because that is the only day that God sanctified and made holy. I will comment on just one of your comments above, where you say, “Jesus said not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until everything was accomplished, everything was accomplished on the cross, where Jesus said “it is finished”.” You took this verse out of context. What Matthew 5:18-19 actually says in the ESV is: ‘For truly I say to you, UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law (Torah) until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingodom of heaven’. So you see, my friend – since heaven and earth surely have not passed away, these things are still in effect. In fact Yeshua says, ‘If you LOVE ME you will keep my commandments.’ Being a part of the tri-unity of God, what commands is he talking about? They haven’t been replaced.

      Unfortunately many gentile Christians who are grafted in at the cross think there is no context in which the cross was planted. Therefore they continue on without an understanding of the covenants into which they have entered by being grafted in as wild olive branches. The fact that gentiles are not naturally part of the root as explained in Romans 9-11, tells us something about their experience. They have to accommodate themselves to the root – not the other way around. Gentiles are the ones who convert to following the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Jews do not convert to Christianity, Jews simply embrace the Messiah who is written about in the Torah, Prophets, and Writings. But we both – Jew and Gentile – are shown no favoritism by God either in the means of our salvation or the riches AND responsibilities we have after salvation.

      I will be happy to read your blog. But again, I go back to my argument that unless there is a standard by which people can be judged – and there is, the Torah which God established – then there is no sin, there are no sinners, and Brian ‘Head’ Welch isn’t in danger of hell and damnation from a Holy God. It is AFTER salvation that we have the power through the Holy Spirit to walk in holiness and keep the commands that God told us are what He expects of His followers.

      • Martin says:

        Hi Ester, you said “The fact that God did not do away immediately with Adam and Eve was His grace, and yet He also required the blood of a living being at the same time – that is His ‘law’. ”

        The fact is God did immediately do away with Adam and Eve, they died, they were in that day driven from the garden and separated by fire. We are not alive on this earth where everything perishes, we are dead but made alive in Christ, and we are trapped in these coats of skin until we die after which we are released from them. Where does the bible say God killed an animal and made skin clothes out of an animal for them?

        The verse I quoted is not out of context, either Jesus accomplished everything on the cross or He accomplished nothing. Was what Jesus did on the cross not enough, that you have to add to it?

        If everything was not accomplished on the cross, what more is there to be accomplished?

        Who gets to decide which are the “weightier matters of the law”, which laws you can pick and choose?

        Is there not a new covenant?

        Could the commands of Jesus not simply be those He gave us in the gospels, do they have to also by necessity include all 613 commandments of Torah?

        Which Torah commandments don’t we have to keep anymore? Please list them and explain why we don’t have to keep them, and then also list the ones we do have to keep and why.

        Either we have to keep all of Torah, or none of it.

        Do you watch Jim Staley or Brad Scott videos? If you do, I understand the origin of the arguments you make, which in light of Galatians are not logical.

        The Hebrew Roots group I was with didn’t go anywhere near Galatians in the 2 years I was with them, and they barely touched the New Testament at all.

        God gave us Torah to prove to us that righteousness cannot be obtained by following rules, righteousness comes from the heart. Israel had Torah from Moses to Jesus, and they made a right mess of things, righteousness cannot be obtained through the Law.

        The temple doors wouldn’t stay shut from the time of Jesus ascension until it’s destruction in 70AD, and the same lot for sacrifice was drawn every year for about 40 years until the destruction, Torah is no longer in effect, the laws written on our hearts if we have the Holy Spirit are the commands Jesus gave us in the gospels, not Torah.

        If you are going to agree to disagree as you say, why do you keep on arguing? There are many points I made in my previous post that you have simply ignored, and this has been my experience with every Hebrew Roots adherent I have debated, there are simply too many questions they cannot answer, so they ignore them.

        • Ester Bunnie says:

          Martin … I apologize if you think I am ‘arguing’ by last post. I am simply responding to your position in what I thought was a civil manner. It is not my intention to be argumentative … so please forgive me, my brother, if I offended you. You are correct that you did make some points, however, I do not see the Last Hiker’s blog as the proper forum for responding to every point you have, or for that matter, for you to respond to every point that I have. Therefore, my responses were more generalized as to my position rather than point for point. I do think your characterization of me based on your past experience is ungracious since you don’t know me and have had limited interaction with me in this format. There are not ‘too many questions’ that ‘cannot’ be answered … the point is, as I mentioned, the grafted-in branch is supposed to partake of the life of the vine to which it is joined. That means it accommodates itself, contrary to its own nature, to the life-giving properties through the roots of that with which it has now become one, not the other way around.

          If you think that the ‘laws’ written on the hearts by the Holy Spirit are anything other than what is based in Torah, you are mistaken. If Yeshua’s life, death, and resurrection meant the Torah was going to be done away with, then why didn’t Yeshua say this plainly? Why instead did He take the opposite position (which, by the way you DID take out of context) and say, “For truly I say to you, UNTIL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS AWAY, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law (Torah) until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingodom of heaven’. That which is written by God the father is upheld by Yeshua, and by the Holy Spirit. And, as the Word of God clearly says, it won’t pass away until this created order passes away; just as the laws of gravity and entropy, etc., etc. won’t pass away until they are no longer needed – when the created order ceases to exist. In context, that is what the verse says. As to the ‘until all is accomplished’ in that passage that is not referring to Yeshua dying on the cross although He did act in accordance with the covenantal promises of God by doing so and accomplished the way of salvation for all people, but ‘until all is accomplished’ refers to the completion of God’s redemptive plan in its entirety.

          As to Galatians, etc. all the epistles to the gentile churches in the New Testament are simply explanations of how to live a Torah lifestyle, how to be obedient to the new life and the new God that formerly pagan people have now come into covenant with. Nothing more, nothing less – all based in Torah. In fact, from the book of Genesis we can see that there is a knowledge of what later came to be Torah – Adam and Even entered into the Sabbath with God on the 7th day, Cain and Abel had an understanding of acceptable and unacceptable sacrifices, Noah also understood sacrifices and the difference between clean an unclean animals. Throughout His word God has revealed His law, His Torah, and what is acceptable to Him … even before there were people called the Jews. Just as there is only one way of salvation – through Yeshua for both Jew and gentile – there is one way of obedience once we enter into covenantal relationship with God. This is the truth revealed to us in His word.

          You say, ‘God gave us Torah to prove to us that righteousness cannot be obtained by following rules, righteousness comes from the heart’. This is incorrect and makes God something He is not – evil. God gave Torah not as a means of achieving righteousness, but as a means for His people, chosen by Him for His purposes, to walk in obedience. Keep in mind that from the time of Abram – long before the Torah – his faith in God’s word was accounted to him as righteousness (Genesis 15:6). This has always been the pattern – faith first, obedience next.

          • Martin says:

            Hi Ester,

            Although the word argument may sound negative, this is not the sense I used the word in. Arguing is simply the presentation of (what may seem like) logical arguments or opinions.

            Using the word “fact” to assert an opinion does not make the opinion fact. Asserting something is incorrect without a logical argument to back up the assertion does not make the assertion correct.

            This is the perfect forum for you to answer any question I have asked, because it was in this forum that I asked the question. I have asked the same questions in other forums of others who believe we must keep Torah, they couldn’t answer them either.

            That you didn’t answer my questions has nothing to do with your character, its just that you can’t. For you to answer my questions truthfully would mean that you would need to change something you believe. This is cognitive dissonance. I’m not implying you’re a bad person, but there is something inherently wrong with what you believe, otherwise you would be able to answer the questions and wouldn’t avoid them.

            Where in Torah does it say “unless you give up everything you have you cannot be my disciple”?

            Where in Torah does it say “be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect”?

            How can you be perfect?

            As heaven and earth has not passed away, and you believe you must keep Torah until heaven and earth have passed away, are you observing all 613 Torah commandments as you say we should be?

            Do you know anyone on earth who is observing all 613 Torah commandments?

            Is it possible for anyone today to keep all 613 Torah commandments?

            If the crucifixion of Jesus was not the completion and the entirety of God’s redemptive plan, what more does God need to do to redeem us?

            Did Jesus accomplish, or only partially accomplish?

            When Jesus said “it is finished”, what was finished? Is there more?

            Are we grafted into Jesus, or grafted into Israel? Who is the vine?

            Are we saved by faith, or saved by obedience? (Ephesians 2:8-9)

            Is our faith to be in Jesus, or in Torah? (John 3:16)

            Which verse in Galatians, or any other epistle, says we are to observe Torah?

            What value did Paul say Christ would be to people if they got circumcised, a commandment predating Torah (law of Moses) given to Abraham? (Galatians 5:2)

            If we do not get circumcised, are we violating Torah?

            Under what circumstances would we be exempt from observing any of the 613 Torah commandments? (Romans 7:1-6)

            Did Jesus speak Greek?

            Did those who followed Jesus speak Greek?

            If someone who spoke Greek addressed Jesus, what would they call Him?

            What evidence exists to prove beyond doubt that Jesus was called Yeshua by anyone?

            Were Israel ever commanded to go out and give the law of Moses to any other nation?

            Do you ever recite Exodus 19:8 or Deuteronomy 5:27 in a liturgy? If you do, are you telling the truth as you recite it?

            Do you have a Torah scroll in the room during your Sabbath services? Is it in a special cover, in a special box, in a special place in the front of the room where everyone can see it? Is there a Torah procession during the service, or a time when members of the congregation can pay homage to the Torah scroll?

            We had this, and nobody could even read Hebrew!

            I left the congregation when I realised that it was not our Creator we were worshipping, it was a Torah scroll, which nobody could even read, and nobody was observing nor could observe all of the 613 commandments it contained.

            When we are filled with the Holy Spirit, it is not us who obeys, it is the Holy Spirit who obeys, Christ in us. We cannot be saved by our own efforts, our only effort is to believe, to put all of our faith in Jesus, that Jesus did everything necessary for our salvation on the cross, where He took our sins away. This is salvation by faith, by believing with our minds, not obeying with our bodies, not by works. In salvation we are compelled to obey, it takes little effort, we simply do what we already want to do, we are compelled by our wants, the desires placed on our hearts by the Holy Spirit.

        • suez62 says:

          Amen Martin, good response. Sometimes people’s “love” for a pastor, blind their eyes to the absolute truth. They want to hang on to those teachers they love, and can’t imagine that they would ever be teaching falsely. I am speaking from experience. I used to love Perry Stone, and then I started seeing some bloopers. Others told me he taught many things falsely. I still kept watching. But, I prayed to the Lord to show me if what I was seeing was just the like for a man, instead of seeing that he could be teaching falsely. My eyes were finally opened, and I stopped watching him…It hurt, and it makes me sad, but I have to stay with the truth, and not made up false teachings by a man, because they either can’t rightly divide the word of truth, or they may be, a plain ole deceiver!!! May the Lord help us all in this area!!!

          • Martin says:

            Hi suez62, the Hebrew Roots/Messianic Judaism/Netzarim/whatever else they want to call themselves were very nice people. I walked into their group out of curiosity, I was wondering if any churches existed that used the names Yahweh and Yeshua so I looked for one and found one and was warmly welcomed. We used to meet in small groups at peoples houses, doing things differently than they are done in large “regular” churches, it was very intimate, we were like a family. Although I didn’t agree with much of what they taught, I kept finding myself going back to meet with them week after week simply to be with them and feel like I belonged somewhere. Before I knew it 2 years had elapsed, and when I knew it was time for me to leave it was hard. They will preach that we must keep Torah, yet they themselves do not keep Torah, if they did keep Torah they would keep all 613 commandments. Some of them believe the temple in Jerusalem should be rebuilt, and the Levitical priesthood re-established because without them there is some Torah that cannot be kept.

            One reason groups like this exist could be because there are people who become disillusioned with hypocrisy in their regular Christian churches and decide there is something wrong with all of Christianity, and that maybe the problem is we’re still supposed to be keeping the law of Moses and we’re not.

          • suez62 says:

            Yes, there are nice people everywhere. There are nice New Agers, and nice Mormons, and nice Hindu’s, etc. Unfortunately there will and are a lot of very nice people going to hell. And for that I am very sad. I do understand your going back for a while, I get really lonely for fellowship, and it is tempting to just go somewhere, even if I disagree greatly with their false doctrines…But, I don’t think I ever could do that. I’m not much of a compromise r. LOL

  14. Elaine says:

    http://kornrow.com/congrats-brian-head-welch-graduating-welton-academy/

    This is a disturbing video of Welch talking about graduating from the Jonathan Welton supernatural school. He says he went in a weird direction at first and listened to ear tickling stuff ….And now he thinks Jonathan Welton supernatural bible school is being on solid ground? He looks totally demonic giving devils horns. It’s very sad. He says, “We need to have God be our God instead of the bible being our idol that we twist and then miss our destiny because we’re being so religious obeying scripture when they’re talking about something else 2000 years ago.”
    This is what Calvary Chapel supports? You miss your destiny when you obey scripture?

  15. Elaine says:

    I was just thinking — it makes perfect sense. The reason they use all the satanic imagery is because they are satanic. Simple. In talking with Nikki Sixx Welch tells you straight out it’s not about pleasing God, it’s about doing what you want. In the video above he says the bible is for people 2000 years ago and is not to be obeyed. Right there in a nutshell. Reject God’s word and do as thou wilt. The message fits the imagery. His followers love to hear that message. They don’t want to obey the God of the bible. It’s all about pleasing self. And then to have these drunk in the spirit experiences making people think they’re feeling the holy spirit – and then they’re deceived hook, line and sinker. I know a couple Whosoever followers. One has the tattoo. They go out to bars and spew profanity. One is back in rehab and on psych meds now. The Whosoever god is the god of this world. It’s very plain and simple. And heartbreaking

  16. Anonymous says:

    Why didn’t they have Brian Welch on the show to hear it straight from Brian? Why’d they put Ryan in to speak for him? Can’t Brian speak for himself? Maybe they didn’t want Brian to put it out there what he believes? So they put Ryan on to ‘put out the fire’?
    And as for people getting W’s tattooed on their body – isn’t that what a cult would do? Have you brand yourself with their image? If you easily get a tattoo of some movement, how much easier will you accept the mark on your hand or forehead?

  17. Anonymous says:

    Well, Brian Head Welch is backing this dude: Brian Nickens of Bethel Redding Church. His book is called Hunger Driven: Overcoming fear and skepticism of the supernatural christian lifestyle.

    There are three endorsements for the book, One by Brian Head Welch and two more by Bill Johnson and Eric Johnson of Bethel Redding Church. It’s this year, 2015.

    Brian Nickens has a audio testimony on this page: http://briannickens.wix.com/hungerdriven#!
    You see a picture of Brian Head Welch and Brian Nickens together with the book.

    In the audio testimony Nickens says he first healed his dog of seizures. (The dog wasn’t really healed, though. He had to ‘heal’ the dog over and over again!) Nickens says the dog was healed and slain in the spirit at the same time. (Laughter)

    Now they’re healing and slaying animals in the spirit?

    At the 18:00 minute mark Nickens says – Let’s take a drink real quick. And you hear the intake of breath through his mouth. Then he says, ” joy…joy… yeah….yeah….hahahaha…….. yeah…come holy spirit, come….catch it!….. hahahaha….yeah…haha….k…”

    He tells stories of healing people and then at the end says he’s releasing the fire of God – and chuckles. God then manifests himself as warmth in people’s hands,

    On the Bethel Redding bookstore site they are selling the book and have a description further down the page: https://shop.ibethel.org/products/hunger-driven-overcoming-fear-and-skepticism-of-the-supernatural-christian-lifestyle

    Nickens visited Bethel, had his wrists healed and then : “Minutes later as I drove away an angel of the Lord came into my car, sat on my lap and assisted me in pulling the car over to the curb. Then the angel moved over to the passenger seat and said nothing, then flew out the car and perched itself on a large rock on the hillside below the Bethel Prayer Chapel. This day was the real beginning of my journey into the supernatural Christian lifestyle.”

    So this angel appears in Nickens car, pulls him over the curb and flyies out and perches on a rock. For no apparent reason.

    Nickens says he was a Bible Teaching Pastor at Calvary Chapel for 12 years.

    As we can see, Welch is still involved in the same stuff, backing dudes doing the same stuff.

  18. Anonymous says:

    The christian metal scene is about seeking the supernatural drunk in the spirit stuff.

    That is their ‘gospel’

    Here is Brian Welch of the Whosoevers with Tommy Green of Sleeping Giant. You can see here in Welch’s own words that it’s about experience, encounters, the supernatural. He says in his prayer: “Lord, you don’t call people to do for you, you just do for them because you give and give and give and that’s what transforms us.”

    That is not what transforms us. That’s a counterfeit. Straight from Welch himself.

    Welch prays that: “people will not leave this festival until they get what their spirit desires and hungers for – an encounter, an experience with you – and that’s it.”

    That’s it.

    No repentance, no turning from sin, no godly living, no doing God’s will.

    While Tommy Green laughs and giggles.

    Tommy Green spoke at Biola University. He met Jesus in a vision in Starbucks. Jesus came out to him with 2 glasses of wine on a silver platter. Green says he ran to that alcohol. Green says he was screaming like a 9 y.o. girl. He hugged Jesus and an incredible transfer of spiritual power happened – like a bomb dropped in his stomach.

    This is not Biblical. This is new age. This is dangerous teaching.

    The men of the Bible never ran up to Jesus screaming like a little girl, getting spiritual power bombs dropped in their stomachs. I pray people wake up.

  19. Anonymous says:

    Wow so much ugliness … It churns my heart and makes me feel sick to the stomach.

  20. dena says:

    I see so much judgment here. How dare you assume someone elses eternal destiny- That is for God, and God alone

    • Hi Dena, I am not judging his eternal destiny at all. I do not know if he is saved or not. I am judging his words and actions, according to the Bible, and sharing that he is not doing what the Bible teaches. I hope he goes to heaven.

  21. At least there is no doubt about what Korn and Slipknot are saying…..I am not promoting them at all. But they are easy to decipher..when these guys go on a tour to Preach the gospel it is confusing to those that refuse to be discerning

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