Calvary Chapel and the Whosoevers–Is The Church Tolerating The Sin of Balaam and Jezebel?

Oh The Sweet, Refreshing Wisdom of Tozer (Please Watch–5 minutes)

If you attend Calvary Chapel, or love someone who does, please pray about what you are about to read. Ask God to show you what to do with this information. Don’t just read this, and then choose apathy. Calvary Chapels are full of sweet God loving people. Please bring this information to the leaders, the pastors, youth pastors, members, and anyone who will listen. Maybe someone will stand up and be heard.

In the book of Revelation, we have the Lord Jesus Christ writing to the churches. Some of His comments are positive, but some are also very harsh. None of us would like to think that He has any correction to bring to our churches, but it is pure stupidity to think that we are above any of what He has to say.

To the church of Pergamos Jesus says, “But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality.” (Rev. 2:14) And to the church of Thyatira He says, “Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.” (Rev. 2:20). 

He had even commended them for previous good works–being willing to be martyred, faith, service, and love. That doesn’t mean that they get a free pass on lust and idolatry (worldliness and false teaching).

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My great concern right now is for Calvary Chapel. They are a conservative fellowship of churches that teach the Bible verse by verse. They have a reputation for being a safe place to fellowship. However, they are promoting the Whosoevers, even giving them a weekly platform in their main pulpit. And the Whosoevers, as I will show are promoting the sin of Balaam and the sin of Jezebel.

Calvary Chapel has not been without scandal or controversy, even currently. This is all quite horrible. But there are Calvary Chapel Fellowships that honor God. Teach the Word. Pray. Evangelize. Love. And make a difference for the Kingdom.

So, with all this going on, I understand that Brian Brodersen has been too busy these last few months to take my (repeated) calls and answer my (repeated) emails and inquiries about what I see happening in the Whosoevers.

But you would think that if there was something demonic happening in his ministry, he might want to know??? He might want to take a stand??? I would!!!

It doesn’t look like it.

Whosoevers Founder Ryan Ries

The Whosoevers began as an evangelistic ministry from Calvary Chapel Golden Springs. Pastor Raul Ries’ son Ryan had a spiritual experience with demons and Jesus and he decided to start a ministry reaching out to the most unchurched in our communities. Even though the Bible says to not lay hands on a minister rashly, Calvary Chapel chose new believers to head up a huge ministry, and has not provided much spiritually mature guidance. I have already written about The Whosoevers and Brian Head Welch here, here, and here. But things have gotten much worse, so after much prayer and after trying to help Calvary Chapel and The Whosoevers by talking personally to them about the danger of all this, I have decided to write again.

If you look at their new website you will find no mention of Jesus Christ in how they describe their organization.

“The Whosoevers is a non-profit organization founded in 2009 between Sonny Sandoval, Ryan Ries, and Brian “Head” Welch. Our mission is to bring like-minded individuals from various subcultures together and create a positive shift in today’s world.”

A positive shift? Is that code for something? It sounds rather New Age to me. It sure doesn’t sound like the Great Commission from Christ.

Jesus didn’t come to earth to bring about a positive shift in various subcultures.

The Benefit of the Doubt, and Yet No Excuse

Now let me begin, by saying that this gets confusing. Because they say a lot of good things. They have the whole “Murder Your Flesh” promotion. Which sounds a lot like repentance. I prayed so hard asking God if I just don’t get it. I used to support the Whosoever movement when it first got started. It looked like a huge harvest of people coming to Christ. But it is different now. I was listening to a teaching by Jacob Prasch and he said that you can’t just go by what they say. You have to look at what they do. Bob Coy preached against sexual sin while he was living in it. People can say good things, but do you see that fruit in the organization as a whole. Please ask God to help you see things clearly, in truth. I want to show you some important clues.

Here is Ryan’s “I Am Second” video where he details his conversion and repentance. You can see he likes to highlight his sin, which always makes me feel a bit polluted. But if you get halfway through it, you might cry.

I don’t get it. Is he just a knucklehead that means well, and makes mistakes here and there? Or is he like the seed that fell among the thorns and worldliness and confusion are drowning out the fruit. I do not know.

I do know that some of the things in the Whosoever movement today are just absolutely, unquestionably demonic.

If Ryan is doing the best that he can, and he just doesn’t understand these things. Then those who are mature and full of knowledge and wisdom need to help him, and correct him. Apollos was a preacher in the book of Acts and he had a good heart, but he had some things to learn. So Priscilla and Aquilla took him aside and helped him.  So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. “When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately” (Acts 18:26).

What usually happens is that no one will correct the minister in error, but they will attack the blogger pointing out the error. So we will see how that goes.

If Ryan is truly God’s chosen man to minister to the most unchurched, then correct him so that he can be more fruitful. If he is full of the Holy Spirit, he will appreciate it.

“I am come a light into the world, that WHOSOEVER believeth on me should not abide in darkness.” (John 12:46)

“Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? WHOSOEVER therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.” (James 4:4)

The Whosoevers and the Doctrine of Balaam

Balaam was hired by King Balaak to curse God’s people. But he couldn’t, because God wanted to bless His people. So he told Balaak how to get God’s people to curse themselves. His idea was to send the pagan women from the neighboring villages into the camp; the men would marry them and be led into idolatry. The plan worked. God’s people married worldliness and cursed themselves.

The enemy is still in the church, trying to get God’s people to marry the world and curse themselves.

This video has since been removed from their page, but here is a screenshot proving that it was there.

This video has since been removed from their page, but here is a screenshot proving that it was there.

Gross Worldliness and Sin Promoted on The Whosoever Website

They will say you need to “Murder Your Flesh,” but if you visit The Whosoevers website, you can click on the “About” menu and select their YouTube page. You can find several videos including this one that is a 20 minute Korn concert. There is NO EVANGELISM in the video. NO CHRIST. It is 20 minutes of people literally screaming out “M*ther F#&K3rs!!!” at the top of their lungs throughout the concert. It is so disgusting that I sat at my computer and wept that they were promoting this on their website. I am so angry about it that I am sick.

WARNING–Explicit images and language (straight from the Whosoevers website)

If you look at their events, you will find information about a baptism as well as an invitation to a secular metal concert without ANY Christian bands. It has a demon in the picture, and Korn will be playing with satanic bands like Cannibal Corpse. I used to listen to them before I got saved. I immediately knew through just the Holy Spirit that I could no longer listen to them! How confusing is it for new believers when they see the church promoting satanic concerts?

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“grab product” another post said, “Come by and gear up.” Did they just go to make money?

Just last month Slipknot had an event in Southern California called “Knotfest” that brought thousands of people.

“Each festival day on Saturday and Sunday will be “13 HOURS OF THE APOCALYPSE” from 11AM to 12 Midnight featuring tons of different festival attractions including the Slipknot Museum, Massive Fire Hell Zone, Packs of Freakish characters, the scariest ride from the Clown’s childhood at the Iowa State Fair, THE RING OF FIRE, a Fighting Thunderdome, a Festival Zipline, a sideshow freakshow and many more to be announced” (Knotfest.com).

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“you guys are going off today!” Excited? Not horrified and burdened?

Here is a shocking description of the event from Revolver. So despite the fact that “pagan fire performers” and “goat spirit animals” were going to be featured, The Whosoevers thought that this event was “going off.” Unlike the other brave and obedient Christian groups that shared the gospel outside the gates (even facing persecution), the Whosoevers set up a merchandise table inside the festival to sell their t-shirts to Satan worshipers. Yes they were giving out CD’s of their testimonies, but their Facebook posts indicate that they apparently enjoyed the festivities.

In fact, many of their Whosoever Facebook fans, later commented things like, “Oh, I was there! If I had known you guys were there I would have said hi.” No shame. Like it was the mall, or something.

A few weeks ago Pastor Brian Brodersen was on Pastors Perspective (a radio program on KWVE) talking about how he pulled Gungor off KWVE because they have unbiblical beliefs. But he allows the Whosoevers to promote Korn? If you think this is okay, then you didn’t watch the video of the Korn concert above.

A few weeks back, The Whosoever’s Shine Event (located at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa) featured an interview with Fieldy from Korn. A supposed believer, who thinks it is okay to work in a music group that blasphemes Jesus, sing perverted and explicit lyrics and has a satan worshiping lead singer. I listened online and I was actually so surprised to hear how blasphemous Ryan Ries was throughout the interview. Feel free to listen to it here “Interview w/ Reginald “Fieldy” Arvizu (Korn) and Wife Dena” (9/25/14). In this clip you will hear Ryan Ries imply that God hates sincere set apart Christians–“Jesus hates the religious people,” that Jesus may have whipped people with the chord when He cleaned out the money changers–“The Bible doesn’t say that Jesus hit anyone with the whips, but it doesn’t say that He didn’t!” and that He can help you get off drugs if that is what you want–“He isn’t going to force you.” He threw in the usual raw language that he likes to use, like “screwing.”

It was a trip. So irreverent.

He said that Jesus was the first punk rocker. Which makes no sense, since Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not rebel against it.

He said that Jesus was trying to get the religious people out of His Father’s house. But he was trying to get out the merchants. Those who were trying to make a profit out of people connecting to God. If anything, The Whosoevers are merchants. They are constantly promoting their merchandise–hoodies, hats, tanks, t’s, stickers, etc. #themovement #thewhosoevers #korn

They teach another gospel and another Jesus. “You can repent if you want to, but don’t get too holy because that is self righteous. And Jesus is just like us. He is an idol made in our image. If we are punk rockers, so is He!”

It is crazy. Because I was just reading the Bible this weekend and I was in Revelation 1, and I saw Jesus described like this:

12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band.14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore.

John saw Him and fell on his face as if dead! This is the same John that lived with Jesus in close companionship for three years, even seeing Jesus transfigured. And yet when John sees Jesus in this heavenly experience, he can’t handle it.

It is a sin to change Jesus. It is a sin to compromise His glory to make him appealing to people that don’t like Him. It is a lie.

He is not a punk rocker.

He is God.

The Whosoevers are not preaching holiness. They preach the doctrine of Balaam–get the church to marry the world. Bring the two together. This is evil.

photo (1)You can’t have a Christian ministry promoting the “Prepare for Hell Tour” that Korn and Slipknot are going on! And yet we do! And this is happening in Calvary Chapel!

You can’t expect me to believe that God will display his glory through Slipknot and Korn! But I guess they do expect me to believe it. They expect all the well fed sheep of Calvary Chapels to believe it to. Or maybe they just hide a lot of this from the masses.

14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 What accord has Christ with Belial?  Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said,

“I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them,
    and I will be their God,
    and they shall be my people.
17 Therefore go out from their midst,
    and be separate from them, says the Lord,
and touch no unclean thing;
    then I will welcome you,
18 and I will be a father to you,
    and you shall be sons and daughters to me,
says the Lord Almighty.”

–2 Corinthians 6:14-18

The Whosoevers Promote the Doctrine of Jezebel

Jezebel was the most wicked woman in the Bible. She was responsible for the persecution of God’s righteous people and the introduction of the worst idolatry in Israel’s history. What do false teachers do? They try to seduce God’s people into lies and sin, and if God’s people resist, they persecute them.

Don’t believe me? Let’s just see how much anger this article stirs up! LOL.

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He laughs at his “haters” and posts a picture of a horned man dripping with blood

You even see this attitude in Brian Welch. When Brian went back to Korn, many of his fans did not understand. They were confused and wanted to ask him why he would be going back to a band with a satanic lead singer, and lyrics that are blasphemous and R-rated. He said God told him to. But then he began to antagonize and mock the Christians that were confused by his actions.

    • February 8 he wrote–“I wish I could kill some Christians, then pray and raise them from the dead, then smack their face. But I can’t, so I won’t. LOLOL  ALL LOVE!” 
    • He wrote a song about judgmental Christians and asked his fans to name it. He deleted comments of the Christians, that were wondering what he was doing coming against the church, but allowed non-Christians to cuss out Christians. Help “Love & Death” NAME OUR NEW SONG! It’s about critical, judgemental people who ain’t got no love in their hearts. Lets hear some ideas?” Then thousands of his fans came up with possible insulting names for judgmental Christians (many of whom attend Calvary Chapels and met him through the Whosoever movement).

New Apostolic Reformation, and Occult False Teaching

False teacher Bill Johnson

So, not only are the Whosoevers promoting the satanic, sinful, blasphemous and worldly music culture–they are also allowing Brian Welch to promote his extreme charismatic false teaching to the fans of the Whosoevers. And attacking anyone who speaks against it.

Brian is not a regular Christian. He is a mystic. He is a drunk in the spirit roll on the floor laughing or barking like a dog, “slain in the spirit” type of Christian. The Holy Ghost movie proves his association with false teachers, like Bill Johnson. He shares on his Facebook page when he is attending Bethel Redding.

He even is seen serving communion with blasphemous teacher John Crowder. Watch and tell me that these people are not behaving under a demonic influence. It is shocking. You will feel sick watching this.

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John Crowder and Brian Head Welch “toking baby Jesus.” Here we have Brian joining in with him. Crowder sometimes uses a little baby figurine, as a joint.

He sometimes calls it “Jehovah-Juana”

Here is a portion of the letter I emailed to Costa Mesa:

“Brian Welch has a separate Facebook page called Love Drunk Headly. I have friends that go to Calvary Chapel churches that follow this page. This page is very mystical. He writes about his mystical experiences with God. These experiences are typical of those associated with Bethel Redding and the International House of Prayer. I think most people think he is being poetic– “high on his love.” But when you realize that he spends time with people photo 2 (1)who literally preach getting high on God’s love in a blasphemous way, it isn’t just poetic.

    • On June 5 he wrote–“Jesus is revealing deep hidden mysteries to me right now after my trials and I am getting so high on his love.”
    • On March 26 he wrote that a friend asked him how he can learn to feel the love drunkenness. He replied, ” In order to open up the heavenly dimension to make you sensitive to the spiritual/angelic realm ruled by Christ, I recommend that you take in God all day, every day, in any way that you can. Make yourself “attractive” to God. The word says if you “draw near to God,” He will “draw near to you.” Drawing near doesn’t mean for 5, 15 or 30 minutes. Drawing near is a lifestyle. It’s eating, drinking, reading, seeing, listening and breathing in God… All day, every day (as much as your schedule permits of course) . . . ” (he goes on)
    • March 18 he wrote–“I mentioned that I don’t go to church a lot, but I don’t dislike going. I do dislike boring, traditional churches but I respect everybody for what they believe and how they want to live their lives. I usually go to gatherings at nighttime rather than early Sunday mornings. Feels more like a party at night! I was at a spot last night and I had a smile glued on my face most of the night. I even found myself belly laughing hard with friends by the end of the night. Was a blast! I could feel God or angels or something. I don’t see them yet, but I can sense or feel “things” a lot. I know when the atmosphere shifts spiritually. There are some people, who are very normal I should add, with the gift of seeing things in the spirit world. A very young girl last night told me she saw some angels of joy twirling around my head. I believe it, because I could feel stuff going on. I know to some of you that this sounds nuts when you read about it, LOL, but I swear, the more you open yourself up, you actually figure out that it is very real. It’s cool because I totally function normal and I mostly hang out with people who don’t believe in this stuff the majority of the time, but I’m always connected to my spiritual life, especially when I find time to get alone and when I have time off from regular life. When Jesus walked the earth, he was attached to two realms – The earth realm and the heavenly realms. My goal is the same. I can be banging my head at KoRn concerts all over the world, and be connected with God in Spirit at the same time. I used to detach from this world all the time and party with drugs, now I just detach myself from this world and I party with God, & all my peeps (no matter what they believe)! Drugs take you into the spiritual world illegally (spiritually speaking). Jesus Christ takes you into the spiritual world legally.”

Don’t you think they would care about this?

But it gets even WORSE.

On September 17, he shared a video that told about his recent graduation from Jonathan Welton’s “Supernatural Bible School.” In this video below, he encouraged all his Facebook friends to join this school, “to find out what Jesus is really like.”

Johnathan Welton is very dangerous.

Spirit of Error  details some very shocking information below:

Welton claims that all Christians should be reclaiming the following practices from the occult as part of their normal Christian walk.
    • Reading auras: The ability to see invisible energy that surrounds a person and learning information about that person based on the color or form of his or her aura
    • Clairvoyance: The ability to perceive extrasensory information about an object or event from the past, present, or future
    • Clairaudience: The ability to hear sounds, music, and voices sent from the spirit realm
    • Clairsentience: The ability to sense smells sent from the spirit realm, along with tastes and touches
    • The use of power objects: Physical objects, such as crystals and amulets, that contain supernatural powers

photo 4Here are a few quotes from Welton, that send shivers down my spine:

“I have found throughout Scripture at least 75 examples of things that the New Age has counterfeited, such as having a spirit guide, trances, meditation, auras, power objects, clairvoyance, clairaudience, and more. These actually belong to the church, but they have been stolen and cleverly repackaged.”
“We need to begin to use [New Age] counterfeits as signposts. Every time a counterfeit shows up, take it as the Lord presenting you with an opportunity to reclaim . . . the Church’s stolen property.”
(Jonathan Welton)

When is someone going to stand up and say this has to stop!

So I called Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa again, and spoke to Brian Brodersen’s secretary again. I thought he would want to know this stuff. I have still yet to hear a response. And I wasn’t trying to be difficult. I explained that many people I love are involved in this ministry, but I want to warn them and before I did that, I wanted to hear Pastor Brian’s response to all of this. No luck.

This is so demonic. The Bible is clear throughout the Old and New Testaments that we are to have nothing to do with these activities. They have never been a way to commune with God, and they have always been a way of demonic deception. This is literally “doctrines of demons.”

As I was reading Revelation chapter 2 and 3 (Jesus letter to the churches) I noticed that He brings a word of correction to ministries that are even doing some things right. Just because something looks good, doesn’t mean we should ignore serious red flags.

The enemy is always trying to get into and destroy the work of God in the church. He prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. The enemy gets us to curse ourselves the same way Balaam brought down Israel, getting them to marry into paganism. He also gets us to destroy ourselves like Jezebel did, by bringing in false doctrine that appeals to our flesh, idolatry.

The Whosoevers are doing both. Getting Christians to compromise with worldliness and even outright satanism and calling that evangelism. They are also presenting false doctrine, and calling it an experience with God.

And if that is not enough, Calvary Chapel has been warned about it and they don’t want to stop it, fix it, or even warn the sheep that there is a wolf in the sheepfold. Which is surprising because they are so conservative. They speak against Joel Osteen, and The Shack, and they don’t even have any of the books from the teachers Brian Welch is promoting in their bookstore. They never would. But they are ignoring this?

So what are you going to do?

If you go to a Calvary Chapel, please talk to your pastor and your youth pastors. Please let them know what is going on, and what is being promoted. I am not the only one upset about this. There are people reaching out to Brian Welch and warning him of his false beliefs. This is all public. You just need to look to his Facebook pages.

Please pray for these people. But don’t expect that God will just fix them, without us standing up and talking to them about it. God hasn’t just fixed other false teachers or other derailing movements. If we don’t stand up against error in our churches then God won’t deliver us from the error; He will give us over to it. Because we have chosen it.  Error in the church is a judgment. That is why Joel Osteen is still the pastor of one of the largest churches in the world. False teaching and unbiblical ministries, are in themselves a judgment to the people who want to sit under them.

Share your concerns. Don’t be intimidated because they are Bible scholars or because they are successful. We have to hold everyone accountable to the Word of God. The Bereans didn’t even listen to the Apostle Paul until they checked what he taught with the Word of God.

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears” 2 Timothy 4:3

For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,  teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,  looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,  who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you. (Titus 2:11-15)

If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness,  he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourselves. (1 Timothy 1:6:3-5)

There used to be a generation of evangelists that didn’t care about being seeker friendly or relevant. They preached the truth. You don’t need to be cool to be used by God. You just need to be simply honest. Here is a video from A.W. Tozer on real evangelism. I hope that we can get rid of these gimmicks and compromises and just get back to the power of the Holy Spirit and the truth of the Scriptures.

A.W. Tozer on Evangelism — So Good Please Watch

If you still are not convinced, please listen to this sermon by David Wilkerson. He would be rolling over in his grave right now if he knew his ministry Teen Challenge was partnered up with the Whosoevers. If you disagree, you have never heard this sermon.

On November 21, 2014 Brian Brodersen responded to the information presented in this article (and other articles/videos that others have posted online) on the Pastors Perspective Radio Program. He fully supports the Whosoever ministry and said that he has no time to listen to people who want to talk about Brian Head Welch’s false beliefs or associations with worldliness; and he gave some weak excuses for his position. If you would like to listen to the program or read my response to his reasoning, please click on the link below. 

My Response to Calvary Chapel’s Pastors Perspective Program on the Whosoevers

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128 Responses to Calvary Chapel and the Whosoevers–Is The Church Tolerating The Sin of Balaam and Jezebel?

  1. chloelee says:

    i don’t know, i read the first part of this only, to the Jezebel part. there is a hierarchy in churches, and also, you choose which you want to go to. for sure new belivers cannot be expected to act right. God is the one who promotes or demotes. God cares greatly about church unity. perhaps the church leaders are on their way out, until then i would stop going there and stop associating with it. maybe you could even find another church or group of people. Blogging about it, seems just as bad. wondering why you didn’t just quietly leave.

  2. Anonymous says:

    Chloelee, I’m glad that this was posted. I personally would have maybe hid some of the names, but it’s good to build awareness. People have itching ears and can so easily be snared into believing such things, such as Jonathon Welton’s teachings. JW also believes that the majority of end time prophecies were fulfilled in 70AD… to me that is just nuts. IF they were why would God not put such important events in the Bible? The Bible would then be open ended and deceptive, instead of pure and true.

    Again, thank you for blogging this.

  3. Jeff says:

    Thank you, Last Hiker, for your posts. There is much to agree about, concerning false teachings. Brian Welch is not unknown to me as I’ve come across web places concerning his teachings and influence before. Not wanting to just jump in and deliberately throw in my “two cents”, without first being sure of what is being communicated, I took some time to look through and read some of the comments, view a few vids. and such. However, as I first suspected, I’ve found enough grounds for a reasonably Biblically informed comment. The very first ‘red flag’ was in the name of the group, “The Whosoevers”, and a little research from the links you provided shows an obvious assumed meaning of the word. That, and the common John 3:16 usage is where this group went astray in the first place. If a house is built on a bad foundation, it will fall. What do I mean? Well, many in the realm of, “Christianity” view everything through the lens of John. 3:16, as if it is the full encompassing gospel. It is without regard to proper context and exegesis that this is done. It leads to an over-emphasis on certain phrases in the Bible and a neglect or rejection of other verses that are relevant to the context. WHOSOEVER has no Greek equivalent or translation. In John 3:16, the words that the 16’nth Century translators translated to “whosoever” are the Greek words, “pass ‘o” (sorry but, I don’t know how to use actual Greek letters in this posting setup…) Anyway, the two words translate the most accurately as the phrase, “every/all the” Pass can be translated to either every, or all. The complete phrase is, “every/all THE believing”. A key mistake is assuming a 20’th Century meaning of, “whosoever” as all of mankind, and then making the claim that anybody can believe, thus receiving everlasting life. However, the way the Greek is worded, and even in English, this interpretation reverses the cause and effect of what the author’s intended meaning really is. He is not saying that by a person’s belief, salvation can be gained but that, the ones who are believing, already have everlasting life. It is having everlasting life that a person can believe. And the word for, “believes” is, “pisteueon” in the Greek. It is a word that indicates a past start of believing and having a continuing believing that doesn’t stop. A person must be given everlasting life to be able to believe. So, with the faulty view that a person can gain salvation by his believing, is a false assumption. The Bible clearly teaches that believing is part of the gift of Grace God bestows on whom He gives it to. The group, “Whosoevers” have their foundations in a belief that people are cape-able of coming and receiving salvation on their own volition. This can and usually leads to all kinds of different aberrant and even heretical teachings. As someone who has experienced having been in such a false teaching for about 7-10 years, when I was first saved, I can attest to the fact that there are certain Biblical doctrines that are essential to one’s faith in Jesus Christ. Having a proper view of the Trinity is one critical example. So, when I saw the first video, on their webpage, ( http://thewhosoevers.com/about/ ) I immediately saw a red flag. (I use the term, “red flag”, as a way to say I saw something critically wrong… BTW, he did mention, “Christ”, in the video…) Aside from the seemingly off attitude, afore mention of the misuse of John 3:16 screamed RED FLAG! The statement, “to reflect Christ in culture”, shows this skewed view by asserting that “Christians” must present “Christ” in the culture. That is, use the culture to shape your message to conform it to an acceptable and pleasing message. UN-Biblical! Galatians chapter one, anybody? I see this kind of problem quite frequently, and it’s getting worse! Calvary Chapel is not the only ‘denomination’ where there is clearly a mess of problems happening within it’s ranks. I’ve visited dozens of churches and they range from a set of mild superficial beliefs that fail to dig deep into the Bible, to full blown theological aimlessness! This is where we, as Christians need to stand up and present the Gospel, with love and kindness, just as it is in the Bible (Galatians 1 and such…) A Pastor friend of mine says that if you lay a strait stick next to a crooked one, you see just how crooked it really is… I will pray for you and others… Thanks again for your compassion, Last Hiker. Jeff.

  4. Jeff says:

    Hey everybody. Just came across this vid, thought it would be helpful information when dealing with someone who thinks that it’s ok for a christian to smoke pot… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EGAv8p5qxA

  5. Sherry says:

    Reblogged this on The X Mass H8rs Blog and commented:
    Most grievous! Prepare to yourself for the end result of the Emergent Calvary Chapel started by Chuck Smith’s son. I understand that C.S. rejected his son’s beliefs but did not prevent him from using the Calvary Chapel name. I love Calvary Chapel churches but, today, if I want to attend one I have to be sure it isn’t of the Emergent variety. Sadly, the only one in my area is an Emergent. This is a very good article about the demonic apostate church under the guise of CC~

  6. Maggie says:

    Thank you +last hiker! Oh my! I attend CCCM *sheeply looking down* thanx to my sister-in-law who did nothing but praise CC’s. ( she is incredibly bossy) yep, sounds like I’m passing the buck!! I know… But now that I grew a spine..my Husband is an usher.!!! (He doesn’t want to leave!!) We have many friends and enjoy the fellowship, BUT that Brodersen!! GEEEZE WHAT A MESS CAT!! My Husband use to be in Men’s choir.. All that is gone…no hymns, little kids singing away etc.. all modern!! So I sit in the very last row or sit outside, mind my P’s and Q’s…like I said in another post here, Pastor BB.. I pay no mind. I talk with the other pastors..yet there is a quiet “HUSH” like at a real bad family get-together at thanksgiving!!

    • It is so hard, because I love so much about Calvary. What they have been in the past, what they could be if things hadn’t gotten out of control. It is hard, because there is so much unhealthy with the leadership model–no accountability, mega pastor, treated like celebrities. I love churches teaching the Bible, and I love people who love the Bible–and that was the original vision. But things are changing. I know there are still some good Calvary’s out there. But there are also some that need serious intervention. God bless you Maggie!!! Thanks for sharing!!! ❤

  7. JohnPaul Daniel says:

    lasthiker, jack hibbs over at CCCH is very solid and preaches Biblically – w sound Biblical doctrine.

    but yes i agree w Brodersen, seems liberal to me, compared to the late papa Chuck. i asked a question on the PP FB page concerning their new triquestra logo and it was deleted…. :-/

    • Thanks for the comment JohnPaul. I do think that some of the CC pastors are great Bible teachers. But my concern is for the direction of the movement. I am hoping that if things continue in a questionable direction, the solid pastors will be willing to speak up and take a stand (publicly).

      I noticed the new logo too. 😦 interesting. Why would they delete your comment and not just give a godly response???

      I don’t get it!

      Thanks for sharing 🙂

  8. Anonymous says:

    testing

  9. Anonymous says:

    Hello,

    Your dissatisfaction with the CC movement will grow as you discover sound doctrine more and more. They are basically a cult, and the moses model was never for a post Christ world.. Check out a good reformed baptist church in your area. Listen to Piper and White.

  10. John Dursey says:

    Galatians 1:8
    But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

  11. Tank Woodard says:

    Calvary Chapel itself is a lot worse than you’re saying…

  12. Bridgette says:

    I’m very sad that this is happening to some of the Calvery or it’s mainly Calvery chapel Gloden Springs . It’s interesting how I just had a weird feeling with Brian Broderson. I didn’t exactly know why; now I know.

    At the same time, I have to say not all Calvery is bad. Pastor Jack in Calvery chapel chino hills is really good. I believe Calvery at South Bay is good too.

  13. Aaron Whosoever says:

    First of all I wanna say that I got saved 12 years ago while attending pastor Rauls Church. I have seen the Whosoevers Movement from day 1 and I am amazed at how many lives they have touched and brought to repentance. I saw people come to Christ from all over, whole heartedly. It saddens me that if I type in Whosoevers that you always come up with your pure hatred on something you don’t understand. The artwork has meaning and it’s not of a demonic persuasion. Maybe you should find out what the artwork means before you pass your judgement. Most is refering to going to the door of hell to save those who are there. Just because our way of reaching the world is different than yours doesn’t mean it’s wrong or satanic. We should all be trying to do the same thing, bringing people to Christ. You can sit in the protection of your church walls or you can go out and reach the world, WHERE THEY ARE, as Jesus expressed. Again this truly hurts me to read the constant bashing you are putting on a such a spirit filled movement. I love CCGS and we only teach the true word of God. Pastor Raul saves by conviction so trust me we are well aware of sin and how it is not welcome in the body of Christ. In closing I wanna say I have gone out into the streets with Ryan, Sonny and the Whosoevers crowd to preach to the lost, to feed them, to give them bibles, to pray with them, to SAVE them from the worldly life they life. I have first hand experience with how many lives this has changed and it’s beyond belief and brings me to tears. The power of the Holy Spirit is leading the way. So while you sit at home writing blogs about HATE and things you don’t understand, me and the Whosoevers will be out in the world, bringing the lost to Christ one by one. God Bless you and I pray that the Lord opens your eyes and softens your heart. The day of the Lord is approaching and we must be ready. Please help reach the world.

    P.S. the Whosoevers is each and every one of us. Not a group. God said Whosoever believes in me shall not perish but have everylasting life. Doesn’t matter what you’ve done or where you came from. Come to Christ and turn away from sin. GOD BLESS YOU ALL

    • Hi Aaron,

      I just want to say that I LOVE the idea of a group of young Christians (Ryan is older than I, though) reaching out to a lost and dying world. I used to attend Whosoever events. We have Whosoever friends. My problem isn’t with your intentions. My problem is with all the compromises that have taken place throughout the years. Ryan rationalizes it and excuses it. Is it okay that the Whosoever website had a video of a Korn concert, promoting Korn, where Jonathan Davis screams Motherf-er and sings a song with copious profanities, and in the video there is no mention of outreach or Jesus? Is that okay? Is it okay they are promoting Korn? Is it okay that the Whosoever’s promoted Knotfest as an exciting event for people to enjoy? Is it okay that they promoted the Vatican Studios art show that showed fingers entering a vagina painted on an upside down cross? Is it okay that Brian Head Welch promotes Todd Bentley, Bill Johnsnon, Brian Nickens, the Supernatural Bible School, Jon Crowder, and MORE (in the last year)? Have you researched the teachings of these people that Head promotes? Is it okay that in the videos of the Whosoevers “sharing the gospel” with Head, that head calls most of Christianity “B.S.”? I mean obviously you have to admit that these are things that the Bible doesn’t align with. Do you agree with all of these choices (despite the fact that you love them and they have done good things)?

      I am not being a stick in the mud. I want them to do good, and stop endorsing sin and false teaching. Why can’t you share the gospel with people without promoting Korn, the F bomb, and false teachers??? Is it impossible. Because THAT is the only thing I fail to understand.

      Please read Revelation 2 and 3, in Jesus’ letters to the churches there are quite a few churches that do good things, but they also need to correct other things. That is normal. I think the proof of how they feel about Jesus is in how they respond to correction? Do they fix the compromise while they keep doing the good? Or are they above correction?

      I wrote another blog kinda responding to your post, but also just thinking about why the church isn’t willing to contend for truth of Scripture. You might want to read it. If you are willing to keep chatting, and answer my questions–if you think those things are okay–please write back.

      Contend For the Faith

  14. Jeff says:

    Hello, Aaron Whosoever. I have read your comment and I understand what you are saying. I’d like to take a moment and ask a question, if I may. The reason is straightforward, to see where you are at, in regards to certain issues. I do need to preface the question with presenting a reasonably common situation. Let’s say for this question, that if I were an unsaved person, one whom you had the opportunity to run into out in public, and let’s say that we find ourselves in a conversation where you realize that I’m unsaved and have a small window of opportunity to share with me the Gospel. What would you say to me? How would you explain the gospel? OK, that’s two questions, or one that is posed in two different ways. Anyway, I would find it interesting what your answer would be and maybe we could dialogue a little about it. Several years ago, in the Church I was a member of, we had a sizable group of young men who had become interns and whose call was to be pastors. We would get together and go out street preaching, open air, one to ones and gospel tracting. We debated Jehovah’s Witnesses and each other, and have had bible studies and such… It was such a great time of fellowship, learning things and blessings. About 5 years ago, most of them left for Bible colleges and Seminaries. It’s been tough not having such fellowship, not that I don’t have regular contact with one or two of them. So, I’ve seen a lot in my 23+ years saved and can say that there’s a lot happening in the Christian world. One of the things I see is a reluctance to dialogue and reason over issues of importance and instead, point fingers and make accusations and such. I hope we can at least have some conversation, if for no other reason than to openly share our positions regarding this matter of the, “Whosoevers” movement and maybe help others who might read our dialogue. Again, I hope you will consider graciously giving an answer to the afore mentioned question of the presentation of the Gospel. Thank you for reading all of this…

  15. Darlene says:

    I’m in SHOCK… First of all, I attended CCCM for many years and was hopeful that the future of the church would follow the “distinctives” that had always been paramount in the heart of Pastor Chuck. When he passed though and I saw so many of the people leaving from the platform, I was scared. Then the Minorah and Bible was taken off the stage. Then the “dove” was taken off the wall…well I left! I could not stand the LOUD music and was really appalled with the rapper and the strobe lights… Well then… After all this I had to find another place to be taught the Word and Worship, so I went to SB…all was well till that pastor passed on and so since then I have been to many churches (8) and there is a common thread going on today. It’s LOUD music with strobe lights and smoke (looking more like a Stevie Nicks concert than worship). So I thought, I will go back to my nice Baptist church of long ago. Guess what, the stage was painted black and the same scenario was there also. Then I went to my childhood church for a reunion… all the pews were gone and the stage was painted black. So from Assembly of God-Baptist-CC… There is a common thread, don’t you see? My heart is saddened for my sweet Jesus, and the people that want to worship him in that sweet time in the body at church. What is the answer? I don’t know. But I’m thankful for these people that are able to bring out what is behind all that is going on. I agree, there is a “different jesus” and it isn’t my Jesus! Be careful people, don’t tough that unclean thing. We have many many examples of it in Gods Word. I pray for those in church leadership that they will be careful with the flock God has called them to Shepard. Even so,
    Come quickly, Lord Jesus!

  16. Anonymous says:

    I would like to thank you for this site and pray you are blessed with God’s love and peace. I did find a church in Long Beach that teaches the Word and is a real blessing…Cornerstone, on Studebaker Rd. Hope you will let this stay on here, so others can see it. Thank you!!!

  17. Lindy says:

    It’s disappointing to hear Brian Boderson’s endorsement of Whosoevers. I’ve attended a couple Calvary Chapels in Southwest Virginia ,both pastors is a fairly good teacher of the Bible. My current pastor is always praying and submitting himself to the Holy Spirit — especially before Sunday service. He would never promote this garbage in his church. I don’t think that ALL Calvary Chapels have problems — there are many excellent pastors who teach faithfully. However, I have heard that some Calvary Chapels in other states are not quite the same as our church. There is variation in quality throughout the denomination. Obviously, since Chuck Smith passed away, Brian Broderson has taken the realm. While I agree with a lot of what most Calvary Chapels teach, I do respectfully disagree on some points. However Brian Broderson endorsing the Whosoevers seems pretty blasphemous to me. Some of the material you have quoted for this article –seems to be blaspheming the Holy Ghost. Does it not? Some of these “professing” Christians are attributing the devil’s characeteristics to the Holy Ghost. If that isn’t, blasphemy, what is? (Yes, I’ve heard the explanation that rejecting Jesus Christ is blasphemy, but linguistics also gives us another meaning!) I have heard some of Brian’s perspectives on Equip radio. In one instance, he shared how HE personally struggles with depression. I know beyond a doubt that God has delivered many people from depression and have prayed for some people myself. I e-mailing Brian to offer prayer, and never heard a response. On another occasion, I heard Brian Broderson criticize Christians who strongly believe in healing. Sigh. To be fair, ALL of us Christians must be constantly on the lookout for deception, and compare teachings to the Bible. I am constantly praying for wisdom and discernment. I have been subject to false teaching myself! And we must test ALL spirits — just because something is supernatural doesn’t mean the source is from God. Even with healings! We must check the source. False miracles? It sounds weird, but we must test ALL spirits! Satan masquerades as an angel of light. With all due respect, only God knows Brian Broderson’s heart completely. We need to pray for him that God will bring correction, or replacement of his leadership.

  18. marriage404 says:

    Open the eyes of blind Lord

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