John MacArthur’s Opinions and the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

Front CoverI think everyone knows that John MacArthur is a cessationist. So no one was too surprised that his book and conference entitled Strange Fire is an attack on the Charismatic church.

Now I am not a super huge fan of Dr. MacArthur. I have had some of his books in the past and I do believe that he is a great teacher of the Bible, but I don’t gravitate toward his teaching. I find it a bit sterile.

But I was shocked to read the following quote of his, this weekend as I read the blogging buzz and sipped my tea:

“Mostly this comes in the professing church from Pentecostals and Charismatics who feel they have free license to abuse the Holy Spirit and even blaspheme His holy name. And they do it constantly.

How do they do it? By attributing to the Holy Spirit words that He didn’t say, deeds that He didn’t do, and experiences that He didn’t produce, attributing to the Holy Spirit that which is not the work of the Holy Spirit. Endless human experiences, emotional experiences, bizarre experiences and demonic experiences are said to come from the Holy Spirit…visions, revelations, voices from heaven, messages from the Spirit through transcendental means, dreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out of body experiences, trips to heaven, anointings, miracles. All false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit . . .

The Charismatic Movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf and they’re dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. It is a false form of the Holy Spirit. They’ve exploited the Holy Spirit and demanded to be able to do that in an uncriticized manner. Nobody can say anything against them. That’s divisive, unloving, cantankerous . . . So the Charismatic version of the Holy Spirit is that golden calf who is not God, not God the Holy Spirit, but a false creation, an idol around which they dance in their dishonoring exercises.

Basically, John MacArthur said that I have blasphemed the Holy Spirit–the unpardonable sin. So according to John MacArthur, I am going to hell because my relationship with God involves me believing that He speaks to me. I don’t think he really means that we are going to hell, he can’t mean that, can he? But you can’t throw out the phrases blasphemy of the Holy Spirit without conveying that idea.

I guess there are a lot of us “going to hell” then, for having the nerve to believe we hear His still small voice. It makes no sense.

A lot of committed Christians.

Not just the crazy prayer tunnel traveling, seizure falling down, gold dust, toking baby Jesus, drunk in the Spirit wackos.

But the simple, set apart, holy, reverent, studious, Christians who have dared to believe a vision or a dream was from God. Who have dared to pray in the Spirit. Who have dared to pray for someone in a hospital somewhere to see them raise back to life.

How dare we?

He says that “if the gifts practiced in today’s Charismatic church are equivalent to those described in the New Testament, then those original gifts were nothing special,”adding that it degrades the true gifts God gave to the first century church.

So we can’t know Christ in an experiential way, because that was only for the early church. But did not Moses see the glory of God pass by, and have visions on the mountain. Did Elijah not raise to life. Did not Elijah see the throne room of God?

This was never just for the New Testament. This is what happens even in the Old Testament in the lives of those sold out to God. Stuff happens.

I could see if there were never any miracles until the book of Matthew. But God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

And if God wants to heal someone, or give me a vision or a dream, or cast out a demon the same way He wanted to in the early church–why stop Him?

John MacArthur has NO verse in the Bible to prove his opinion.

He says that 1 Corinthians 13:10 is the verse that says the gifts have ceased.

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Is that what it says?

Now I do not have a doctorate in theology.

I am not as smart as Dr. MacArthur, who says that “that which is perfect” means the Bible.

But I have to be a Berean and look for myself to see what the word is saying.

The Word says that there will be a day when prophesies and tongues and knowledge will pass away.

If I look at that verse in context I could come up with another opinion, that “that which is perfect” is the Second Coming of Christ.

8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.

Especially since, when it talks about seeing in a mirror dimly, but then face to face, now in part, then fully–seems to imply that we are in heaven and we now have full understanding and no need for spiritual gifts.

Acts 2 quotes Joel 2, which says that the spiritual gifts which include revelation, prophesies and dreams will continue to be poured out until the cosmic signs of Revelation 5.

“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
even on my male servants and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.
And I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke;
the sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood,
before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.
And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’

I have been taught that you can’t base a theology upon one verse in the Bible, you need to have multiple verses. And you definitely can’t base a theology upon one verse that can be ambiguous like 1 Corinthians 13:10 is.

Further, I see plenty of other verses in the epistles where Paul and others encourage the believers to stir up their spiritual gifts. They were not all apostles. They were common people. They were told to prophesy, to preach, to heal, to cast out demons, etc. It was a clear expectation that these were the characteristics of the church, wherever it was sent. Those verses still apply to us today.

There is not one verse that explicitly says, the gifts will cease when the Bible is complete.

But based on this idea, John MacArthur is accusing millions and billions of Christians of committing the unpardonable sin–blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

So What is the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

John MacArthur says it is giving God the credit for something demon does.

Let’s see what Jesus says about it:

Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw.  And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.  Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come (Matthew 12:22-32).

So where we see Jesus is performing a miracle and the religious scholars are accusing Him of casting out a demon by occult and demonic power.

In order to explain this sin fully, a look at the general context of the statement is critical. Matthew’s account offers the most detail concerning the setting in which Jesus’ statement was made. In Matthew 12:22, the text indicates that a certain man who was demon-possessed was brought to Jesus to be healed. As was His common practice, Jesus cast out the unclean spirit, and healed the man of his blindness and inability to speak. After seeing this display of power, the multitudes that followed Jesus asked, “Could this be the Son of David?” (12:23). Upon hearing this remark, the Pharisees, wanting to discredit the source from which Jesus received His power, declared that Jesus was casting out demons by “Beelzebub, the ruler of demons.” Jesus proceeded to explain that a kingdom divided against itself could not stand, and if He were casting out demons by the power of demons, then He would be defeating Himself. It was after this accusation by the Pharisees, and Jesus’ defense of His actions, that Christ commented concerning the blasphemy against the Spirit. In fact, the text of Mark clearly states that Jesus made the comment about the blasphemy against the Spirit “because they said, ‘He has an unclean spirit.’ ” (Kyle Butt)

John MacArthur says the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is giving God the credit for something demon does. BUT according to the Bible alone, according to Jesus, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is just the opposite–when God does something and people say that it was not God (or the Holy Spirit), but that it was demonic.

Isn’t this what John MacArthur is doing?

Now I won’t accuse him of the unpardonable sin.

That is rather bold.

But I will say that according the the Bible, he is actually doing what was done to Jesus. Attributing all miracles and experiences with God to the demonic. Right?

That is what he says, remember?

… attributing to the Holy Spirit words that He didn’t say, deeds that He didn’t do, and experiences that He didn’t produce, attributing to the Holy Spirit that which is not the work of the Holy Spirit. Endless human experiences, emotional experiences, bizarre experiences and demonic experiences are said to come from the Holy Spirit…visions, revelations, voices from heaven, messages from the Spirit through transcendental means, dreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out of body experiences, trips to heaven, anointings, miracles. All false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit . . .

He says they are ALL false. ALL lies. ALL deceptions.

He is saying that God can’t, won’t and would never speak to someone personally.

That NO ONE has the gift of tongues.

Betsy Ten Boom must have had a demon show her the plans for the home for healing that she prophesied to her sister with to the small detail accuracy. Maybe she was a fortune teller occult wizard?

Hudson Taylor and Amy Carmichael never REALLY heard God’s voice.

The still small voice is gone forever. Replaced by the Scriptures alone.

God did not tell missionaries to go wherever they went.

It was all a lie.

That God doesn’t function at all ever in the way He always used to.

This is not to say that I feel all experiences attributed to the Holy Spirit are free from demonic influence. John Crowder  is a prime example of someone who is filled with demons, and yet he claims it is the Holy Spirit. He is terrible. The manifestations that characterize his “ministry” are found nowhere in the Bible. It is pure paganism wrapped in Christian labels.

But to say that all Christians who have BIBLICAL experiences like Daniel, and Joseph, and Elijah, or Isaiah are committing the unpardonable sin is not only an opinion, but a very harsh opinion.

Now Dr. MacArthur is way smarter than I am. And he could certainly answer this blog entry with a raised eyebrow, and a condescending dismissal.

Whatever.

I have said my two cents. 

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75 Responses to John MacArthur’s Opinions and the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

    • Thank you so much for sharing that with me. It was so thorough. This is such an important issue, and it will certainly affect the body of Christ. Hopefully it doesn’t cripple us too terribly. It is like someone breaking into Christian homes to steal away all their spiritual gifts. May we resist and continue to worship the Father in BOTH spirit and truth.

      • Eddie says:

        Amen and Amen!
        Excellent Article, and confirms exactly what I knew in my spirit after MacArthur’s last tirade of attacking everyone that operates in the Gifts of the Holy Ghost, that he has gone way over the line by attributing such Brothers and Sisters that do Love Jesus Christ and do use their Spiritual Gifts, as being either in the flesh or being influenced be the devil and demonic forces! Hay, Bro John.. big deal how many pieces of paper that you have hanging on your office wall by graduating from some “Cemetery”,, oh excuse me Seminary,, the Devil loves those that are dead to the Spirits Gifts, and the Power of operating Biblically in them, because it is what destroys his rotten kingdom of darkness and sets the captives free! Just do a little research on the Churches that are seeing more people set free and healed and delivered from demonic forces in other Countries outside of the United Socialist States of AmeriKa, and you will see that it isn’t the Baptist Churches, but those that are operating in the Power of the Holy Ghost! And yes I do Love my Baptist Brethren and often wonder why most of them deny that the Gifts of the Holy Ghost and are secessionist, but think that I have figured it out! They want to be first in the Rapture, because we read in (1Thess 4) ” For the Lord himself shall decend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of an archangel and with the Tumpet of God, and the {dead in Christ} will rise first”

        It is time too smarten up Church, we are going to need all that God has to offer and is willing to give us in this hour so that ” HAVING DONE ALL TO STAND, WE SHALL STAND!

        • Eddie those words aren’t exactly kind toward the Baptist brethren, me being among them. Some of us DO believe in the spiritual gifts still being fully operational in todays church. I think the problem most Baptist have are the fake manifestations in churches trying to manufacture a “movement of the Spirit.” He doesn’t have to be conjured up. He will move in the hearts of people as He sees fit. I have personally been in churches where “speaking in tongues” sound more like rapid fire machine guns and people running all over the church was a “sign of God’s presence.” As a Baptist I believe in speaking in tongues and I believe in manifestations of God’s presence among us, but I don’t believe that just because we call it of God, it is of God. God is a God of order not disorder.
          So please don’t group all “Baptists” together.

  1. Anonymous says:

    I’ve attended John MacCarthur’s church twice now and spoke to him personally. I personally have seen tremendous abuse of the holy spirit in the charasmatic movement. People calling themselves prophets and watching their words fall to the ground. Example: Chuck Pierce saying that the glory of god was going to fall at Harvest Rock Church, Pasadena and it never did. Peter Wagner proclaiming himself to be an Apostle – from his lips to my ears at Harvest Rock Church Mott Auditorium. I personally have never seen anyone experience a major healing by the laying on of hands. It does occur but rarely. I have never seen anyone operate in the gift of healing – NEVER. I’ve seen some healings. I myself prayed over a woman and she was healed of throat cancer. But of all the times that I have prayed for people, I can only think of two that experienced this kind of healing. The worst part of my experience is the lack of fellowship. People come for the side show of the miraculous. The other really horrific thing is the prosperity gospel.

    I think the gifts do operate. I speak in tongues, prophecy, and on occasion have been used
    in healing.

    But John MacArthur has gone to far.

    • Thank you for sharing.

    • Eddie says:

      Of coarse Satan the deceiver and counterfeiter is going to do what ever He can to discredit the Gifts and the operation of them! That’s his job, and he does it well as we see in (Acts 16:17) ” The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.”, until Paul had enough of it and finally cast that spirit out of her! It his Goal through all of the the foolishness and deceit, of what we see, along with the old “if you can’t beat them, then join them” among Pentecostal that is taking place; to get the Leaders of different denominations to “Throw the Baby out with the bathwater!”

  2. hannah says:

    My mom told me to check out your blog. I went to high school with your husband. Just wanted to say that I really agree with your blog post and I appreciate you taking the time to write. While I don’t agree with everything that happens in charismatic circles, I’ll always pray to be more like Jesus and to have all that He has for me. And one of those gifts that He promised is the gift of the Holy Spirit. John MacArthur is missing out and causing others to miss out. There is a reason that God gave the Holy Spirit and I think the main reason was to fill us with His power to fulfill the great comission. I don’t know much about John Crowder- I’ve intentionally stayed clear of it because it makes me uncomfortable and the people I knew that went to his meetings seemed to lower the “HOLY” Spirit to a back alley cheap drug. My God, my Savior, the whole Trinity is the love of my life and should be reverenced and honored and adored! So to both Johns- I say… study the life of Jesus and make it your aim to act and behave like Him. That’s the goal I pray that we all have…may we bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit… love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control….and yes- all of the gifts, too! Every good and perfect gift comes from Him and is for HIS glory! 🙂

    • Hi Hannah,

      My husband told me that he sent a link to your mom. I was embarrassed at first, and I told him, “Are you sure?! I am kinda crazy!!! Are you sure you want to identify with this blog?!” I have pretty much kept it secret for that very reason! LOL Thank you for taking the time to read my ramblings and even leave a comment. Your family is very dear to our hearts and I thank God for what an amazing influence you guys had in my husband’s life. God is so good. Thank you so much. Love you!

  3. Abe says:

    John MacArthur holds the position that a person can take the mark of the beast and still get saved later, and he holds to the false gospel of lordship salvation. He’s always been a false teacher.

    • Abe, I’m curious. What is your understanding of Lordship salvation? Do you think a person can get saved just go to heaven when he dies? Do you think a person can get saved and then live like he has never had an encountered the resurrected Christ? Please explain if you will. I’m interested.

    • Brent Harknett says:

      Abe,
      When has Pastor MacArthur ever ever taught that you can take the number or mark of “The Beast” and be saved? And as Larry points out – what is your understanding of Lordship Salvation? I am sorry but you are a blatant liar. And to use the very words of the moderator of this blog Am I being “judgmental” well yes I am! Clearly in a way as a Born again Christian is to judge all things that go against what is in the Bible. Am I judging in a manner that would condemn you to Hell? No! I know for a fact that Pastor MacArthur has never and will never teach or preach or hold any position of what you have claimed him to hold. As the moderator has said on their site – that is between you and GOD.
      Abe and I am thinking that that is short for Abraham, look do your homework and don’t get on one of these bash Pastor MacArthur post’s. You should really be careful what you say about calling him a “false teacher”.

      • You asked, “When has Pastor MacArthur ever ever taught that you can take the number or mark of “The Beast” and be saved?”

        He said it during a question and answer segment. And you can listen to it, being discussed on a radio program where people discuss how you can take the mark and be saved. You can listen to it here.

        See, this is my point, you have to listen to what the BIBLE says. We can’t listen to what popular teachers say.

        The Bible says, “Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” Revelation 14:9-11

      • Onesimus says:

        Persoanlly I don;t know what MacArthur says about the mark of the beast, but I do know he has exposed himself as a false teacher on many other matters. Most recently through his “Strange Fire” conference and book.
        I see him as being a very dangerous man – no less dangerous than charismaniacs like John Crowder, Todd Bentley and their associates.

        I’d advise turning away from popular celebrity preachers of any flavour and turning to scripture, allowing and trust the Holy Spirit to fulfil His role as teacher instead of replacing Him with men chosen to appeal to itching ears.

        • Linda says:

          You need to know what he teaches and why. His book explains it well and has been misquoted here on this blog.

          • Well I will look deeper into it and I certainly hope that he has not said that those with the gift of tongues or prophecy have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. I did listen to him say that, but if you are saying that his book explains that he didn’t mean that, I hope so. He needs to be more careful in what he says though–between this and the mark of the beast, this is very concerning.

          • Onesimus says:

            I’ve seen and heard more than enough of what MacArthur teaches to know he is a false teacher. I’ve followed a few pro-MacArthur sites to have seen what both sides say about him and his teaching. The very fact that he is a cessationist who teaches cessationism is enough to deem him a false teacher, and a dangerous one at that!

            And I could mention other areas of his doctrine that are equally false – but I’ll stick to commenting on the topic at hand.

      • godsfingers says:

        According to OSAS and predestination you can’t lose your salvation. Taking the mark would not be able to override that either because of Romans 8:38,39. So according to MacArthur, yes you can.

        • Matthew Smith says:

          I f you take the Mark it is because you have rejected the Truth. God Himself sends people, who reject the truth, the Strong Delusion that they should believe the Lie. (2 The 2:11). These people take the mark and are damned. (Revelation 14:9-11) If someone takes the Mark then they were not saved to begin with. The elect will not be decieved. (Matthew 24:24)

          Therefore it is dangerouse to say that you can still be saved after taking the Mark.

          My two cents….

          • godsfingers says:

            Hi Mark,
            I was making tongue-in-cheek representation. According to John MacArthur If you’ve accepted Christ there’s no turning back, no falling away, no possible way to lose your salvation. In essence, he denies most of the New Testament warnings about falling away along with Christ’s encouragement to endure to the end. They also don’t believe there can be anymore Christians after the pre-trib rapture so him arguing about taking the mark is moot anyway. But these folks, wise in their own eyes, like to argue over trivial and that’s why the Bible warns to stay away from them and those looking to satisfy their itching ears.

            Dan

        • Anonymous says:

          Most predestinationists are also premillennialists. That would mean they are raptured out before the mark of the beast which takes place during the 7 year Tribulation.
          This is important to know when discussing this subject matter.

          • mike says:

            I believe in speaking in tongues god speaking to christians in every way mentioned in the bible. And always believe by the holy spirit telling me and studying the bible day and night in osas. RVEF Since I Hot Born Again I Have Had An ASSURANCE IN My HEAR I Would Go To heaven. Makes No Sense To Me Why DKMRONE Would NOT Have A SIMILIAR experience.

          • mikemjr1 says:

            I don’t agree with mccarther in the gifts of the spirit because I operate in the gifts. When jesus mentions enduring to the end he’s talking about the tribulation that is very easy to see. .Jesus christ teaches osas more then anybody john 3:16 being one scripture I could prove it that easily from the bible

  4. Onesimus says:

    MacArthur’s extreme cessationism and the excesses of extreme charismania are opposite sides of the SAME counterfeit coin – a coin minted to dishonour the Holy Spirit.

  5. godsfingers says:

    Nice write up. In the same token you have to be a cessationist to believe in OSAS, but that’s another story, of John MacArthur’s diatribes. In regard to the Bible being perfection, or in the original Greek “complete”, I always like to point out that one, a bible, by definition, is a collection of works. And that when John writes in Revelation not to add to this book he is referencing his book, the one he wrote down as given by the Holy Spirit. But, in addition, both John and Daniel were told and shown certain events that they were told to seal up until… That would make the Bible incomplete because more Revelation is to come.

    Now that’s a scary trail to tread because you’ll have to be working in the Gifts of the Holy Spirit to accurately discern the false from truth. It’s easier to lock all that away and use your high position of power to belittle anyone who would challenge you. Time and time again I’ve seen him and many others holding these doctrines, because they then have to rely on persuasive brain arguments, use single verses and then follow with “straw man” arguments to defend the doctrine.

    You’re right that the Kundalini, fairy dust, barking dogs or any weird expression groups have hurt and really are on the same side of the coin as John, working against the Kingdom of God. I’m sorry John, but you can’t convince me that God didn’t wake me in the middle of the night to drive 180 miles, lay hands on a little girl and pray for her miraculous healing and find out the next morning that ex-rays showed that the tumor the size of an orange had disappeared.

    The Lakeland revival and John MacArthur, what strange bedfellows…..

  6. Derek says:

    I always wonder why cessationists who use 1 Cor. 13:10 to make their point do not also teach that knowledge has also ceased. Inconsistent to say the least.

  7. Linda says:

    I also went back and checked the book “Strange Fire” and MacArthur’s commentary Bible and never did I see that he said that when the perfect comes, it meant the Bible. In fact if you read the book or did the research of what he does teach on this, you would know that what you quoted about what he taught is not accurate. In the book (pg. 148-149) he gives many different theologian interpretations of what the “perfect” means. (This word referring to the gifts of partial knowledge and partial prophecy only.) He, however, believes it is when believers are in the Lord’s presence. The gift of tongues however, is using a different Greek verb, pauo, meaning “to cease permanently” indicating that the gift of tongues would come to an end once and for all. (Which it did for over 2000 years). He never said that he believed it was when the Bible was completed. When you quote someone, you need to be careful and do so accurately.

    • I wasn’t quoting his book, I was sharing what I have heard him teach before from the pulpit.

      • Hannah says:

        I have listened to MacArthur for many years and he does confirm what you say a bout perfect meaning the bible and complete revelation of God. Although I do agree that there are two gifts that have ceased. Miracles and tongues. Miracles does not mean healing but acts that only God can do such as raising from the dead, parting the Red Sea , etc.

    • Onesimus says:

      “The gift of tongues however, is using a different Greek verb, pauo, meaning “to cease permanently” indicating that the gift of tongues would come to an end once and for all. (Which it did for over 2000 years)”

      Church history, the experience of countless Christians today (and I’m not including the extreme charismanics in that number) and most importantly SCRIPTURE do not support that statement.

      Please, please please, for your own spiritual well-being, put aside men’s teachings and search the scriptures for yourself without the influence of men who try to explain why the bible doesn’t really mean what it clearly seems to be saying.

      • I agree, the gifts are alive and necessary!!!

        • Onesimus says:

          The gifts are given so that one part of the body can minister to another. However that kind of body ministry is a threat to the common church way of doing things – where ministry is in the hands of (usually) one man.

          While charismatics accept the reality of the gifts, charismatic leadership finds its way around the body ministry aspect by deeming certain people (usually themselves and other leader colleagues) as having special ministry anointings, a concept foreign to the NT scriptures where all believers have been given access to the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

          So beware of those “leaders” who deny the validity of the gifts and equally beware of those who set themselves apart as having a special anointing.

  8. Matthew Smith says:

    Just found your website when I came across your review of the so called “Son of God” movie. So far I really enjoy! Thanks!

    • Thank you! God bless you Matthew!

      • Anonymous says:

        I would like to read what you think about the Azuza Street revival. And I would like to read at some point what you have to say about the idea of the revitalization or revival of Spiritual gifts usage. Thanks.

        • I do not know much about the Azusa Street Revival. I will say that I do believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit and that all the New Testament gifts are still in practice today. But when I looked up the Azusa St. Revival it was described as ” They run, jump, shake all over, shout to the top of their voice, spin around in circles, fall out on the sawdust blanketed floor jerking, kicking and rolling all over it. Some of them pass out and do not move for hours as though they were dead. These people appear to be mad, mentally deranged or under a spell. They claim to be filled with the spirit.” I do not believe that that is a valid Holy Spirit experience. It sounds more like what you see at some of these extreme pentacostal services today–that is very demonic. Of course, the description that I quoted was surrounded by very racist observations, so I don’t know if that is just because of the racial climate of the day, but the racism bothered me. Since I wasn’t there back then, and I am not too familiar with it, I will have to answer you that if it had extra-biblical manifestations it was bad. But if it just looked like the gifts in the New Testament, practiced in order and self-control, to build up the body of Christ for bold evangelism then it is good.

  9. Barbara says:

    Here’s John Macarthur’s statement that those who take the mark of the Beast can still be redeemed: http://watch-unto-prayer.org/macarthur-1-mark-of-beast.html

    He also wrote a book titled Slave: The Hidden Truth About Your Identity in Christ in which most of the endnotes lead the reader to heretical works of modernist and postmodern scholars who deny the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith. Some of these “scholars” are in fact rabidly anti-Christian, and their works, which Macarthur recommends as authoritative, are filled with slander and blasphemy of the Lord Jesus Christ. One homosexual scholar cited by Macarthur, Dale B. Martin, wrote a book which attempts to prove that Jesus was a homosexual. (Sex and the Single Savior) Other postmodern scholars quoted by Macarthur claim that Christians in the early Church, including the Apostles, not only condoned the institution of slavery but were abusive and immoral slave owners and slave traders just like Roman slave owners/traders. For documentation on these and other sources referenced in Macarthur’s SLAVE book, read this critical review: http://watch-unto-prayer.org/macarthur-2-slave-book.html

    • Thank you so much for that info. I received “Slave” as a birthday gift years ago and I couldn’t get into it, something about it bothered me, but I didn’t know what! I am thankful now!!’ God bless.

  10. SuMari says:

    Hi…just found your blog recently and am enjoying reading my way through it. There is so much I agree with…you raise important points in this entry and I have been searching for God’s truth in this matter for over a year now. I have spent over 25 years in Charismatic churches and have seen some real abuses and excesses…so much so I began to question it all (when all those around me are involved with the Toronto Blessing, IHOP, Bethel…well, it seemed to be getting crazier and crazier) and then I discovered John MacArthur and his ilk…listening to his teachings/sermons was so refreshing and life-giving (I so appreciate the word-by-word, verse-by-verse style of teaching AND just that it is THE WORD/THE BIBLE…that is sorely lacking/missing in many churches these days). I am still sorting my way through so much, but am so grieved when I see brothers and sisters acting/reacting so harshly to one another. I appreciate the tone with which you write. It is often those who comment with a heavy-handedness that will cause me to gasp and to have to catch my breath and then to cry out to the Father to help us all to be more compassionate, loving and respectful to each other. Is John getting it 100% right? No, he is not. But then no one is. Do we have to be careful to test the spirits? We sure do…and we need to contend and defend as well. But I count John MacArthur as my brother in Christ and have great respect for him. The comment above about endnotes in the book, Slave…I can assure you that John is not promoting homosexuality or going against the most important tenets of the Gospel and Christian Faith. I have not read that book, but have read a testimony of a black man who was incredibly blessed by reading that book…his life was forever transformed. And I would just like to point out that just because endnotes/footnotes are citing a particular person’s work (article, book, etc.) it doesn’t mean that the author of the book (in this case, Slave) is in agreement or promoting those cited works…it simply means that something from the cited works was included in the book and the author was referencing where he got his information from. I find the comment above to be misleading…it may be done innocently and sincerely, but never the less still misleading.

    I pray that Father God will assist all of us in our theological blind spots …and in the meantime that we would all be able to extend a special grace to one another.

    So glad you are blogging and that I found you…thanks.

    • Anna Parrish says:

      This is so scary for a new believer in Christ. Your comment was right on point of how I’m feeling. I listen to John MacArthur( will not do anymore), had my family and friends to listening, love his teaching until I heard about his comment about people who believe in the Holy Spirit. I started reading and studying the Bible by myself. I’m going back. You can not even trust the men of God to teach you right? Where are the true Churches of God to teach us the right way? Thank God I believed Jesus when He said He will send the Holy Spirit to help me. I stand a better chance on my own of staying out of hell, then trusting these so call Pastors.

  11. SuMari says:

    Oh, and one more thing…I see Paul Washer here included in your blogging. I have been wonderfully blessed by Paul Washer’s example and ministry. Something to note…Paul has high regard and respect for John MacArthur. Paul has been a guest speaker at the Master’s Seminary (John MacArthur’s/Grace to You’s Seminary). I have listened to both men enough to see what they share in common and where they differ…I thank God for both. Personally I benefit from Paul because he comes from a reformed position, but he also embraces the things of the Holy Spirit. Thanks again.

  12. Jerad Morrell says:

    Amen. Spot on.

  13. Evan says:

    Just my 2 centavos – it seems to me that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit refers to a hardened heart. Scriptures describe some of the people as being amazed when Jesus cast out demons while others like the scribes accused Jesus as possessed by Beelzebul. Miracles like this open up some hearts to receive the message of the kingdom of God while for some, the supernatural works of the Spirit reveal an already hardened heart, resistant to miracles right before their eyes. That is why the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven because it is the evidence of an already closed and hardened heart, a type of soil that cannot even be sowed upon to receive the gospel of the kingdom.

  14. Ester Bunnie says:

    Hello: I read this blog and some of these comments some months ago, and returned again today. While I enjoy your blog in general a great deal, I have to disagree with at least some of the things said here, specifically in regard to Pastor John MacArthur. I have listened to Pastor MacArthur for quite some time, and although there are a few small things that I would disagree with him about, he is not a false teacher as some of the comments here so recklessly charge. If you wish to actually find out more about this conference, the website is still available at strangefire.org. You may consider clicking on the ‘Questions and Answers’ link to receive a full discussion on some of the things that were apparently discussed at this conference (I wasn’t there). Additionally, Phil Johnson also posted a clear summary of the position held by Pastor MacArthur as to the issue of tongues here: http://www.gty.org/Blog/B131111.

    Not every pastor’s style resonates with everyone. I understand that you find him ‘sterile’ – that’s okay. However, one of the things Pastor MacArthur teaches, which is greatly missing in the body of Messiah today, is that believers must use discernment in all things spiritual. The Bible must have the last word and it must be correctly applied and not wrenched out of context. I find it strange that a man like Pastor MacArthur – who himself is a servant of the Lord – is being held up to scorn and even ridicule by some of the commenters here when he himself has been moved by the Holy Spirit to bring this issue forth, and attempting to call believers to discernment in these matters. This is what a shepherd does – this is part of the calling of a man of God and I for one am glad that Pastor MacArthur has waded into this battle because it HAS been needed for some time. When Christians focus so much of their energy on the gift rather than the GIVER then something is wrong.

    This is exactly the situation that the apostle Paul was addressing in Corinth – that of causing confusion and even jealousy and stumbling others in the body because of a misuse of tongues. You must remember that the Corinthians were a group of gentiles who had come out of paganism. As such, they wanted to hold onto some of the practices of their former lives (just as the Israelites did when they made the golden calf which was a representation of an Egyptian god). Part of the pagan experience is the use of ecstatic utterances which necessarily bypass the intellectual capacities in order to ‘elevate’ a person to some sort of experience which is disorderly at best, and satanic at worse. But this is not the way the God of Israel works. Our God is a God of order, and although at times He does do miracles, it is He who chooses the time, place, and the vessel for doing so. The whole point is that the God whom these people had now come to worship is not/was not/will never be like the ‘gods’ who have been made by man. The gifts that are given by the Lord are to be used for service to Him and to His body – not to glorify ourselves – which seems to be done so often in the pentecostal/charismatic movement.

    It is to these things that Pastor MacArthur directed his message, and in so doing sounds an alarm for ALL true believers to act with discernment in these days, which are evil. Instead of focusing only on the Holy Spirit as some do, we would all do well to understand that God is a tri-unity, inseparable in His Oneness and that as the co-existent and eternal Father, Son, and Spirit He has called us to obedience and holiness, not to confusion, disorder, and controversial practices. If we would become a more obedient, orderly, and holy people, we will see the true power of the Spirit instead of having to ‘conjure up’ an experience.

    • SuMari says:

      Thank you so much for this comment, Ester. You have addressed my very concerns, but in a much clearer and concise way than I was able to. I also wanted to provide the links you provided here, but am not tech-savvy enough. There is also a You-Tube video of John speaking to The Master’s Seminary students…I’m sure a simple search would bring it up. His talk is a follow-up to the Strange Fire conference.

  15. lyn says:

    I’m not sure it’s a good idea to defend MacArthur, it seems he teaches falsely concerning the mark of the beast – http://5ptsalt.com/2013/10/16/john-macarthur-take-the-mark-of-the-beast-still-be-saved/

    This is interesting as well – http://5ptsalt.com/2012/08/16/jesus-our-king-high-priest/

    • Ester Bunnie says:

      I listened to the audio on the first link you supplied, and he does in fact say that someone who takes the mark of the beast can be saved – you are right about that. This is troubling because Revelation 14:9 – 11 specifically states that anyone who receives the mark will ‘drink the wine of the wrath of God … in full strength … and the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever …’ I think this paints a very descriptive picture of the eternal judgment of unbelievers. Just to be clear, I am not defending Pastor MacArthur on the ‘strange fire’ issue, but as SuMari says in her April 21st post: I pray that Father God will assist all of us in our theological blind spots …and in the meantime that we would all be able to extend a special grace to one another.

  16. Evan says:

    Rev 14:9 and Rev 20:4 spell out God’s judgment on unbelievers AND believers. There is no difference as “anyone” applies to EVERYONE. A martyr who refuses the mark and dies for the faith receives eternal life but a believer who accepts the mark essentially renounces the faith and has apostatized. Such a person has no assurance and God’s condemnation remains on that person. That is why MacArthur’s false teaching in this area can be hazardous to one’s spiritual health.

  17. lyn says:

    This is more than a ‘theological blind spot’ on MacArthur’s part, this is a very dangerous false teaching that he spews out. I find it amazing the lengths some will go to in defending their favorite ‘celebrity pastor’. How many times can a preacher/teacher teach falsely before we determine them to be a false teacher? I think it best to stick with Scripture and not follow any celebrity preacher; following Christ will keep you on that narrow path.

    • Ester Bunnie says:

      Hi there:
      I assume you mean me when you say “I find it amazing the lengths some will go to in defending their favorite ‘celebrity pastor'”. I do not think that Pastor MacArthur can be dismissed so cavalierly as a ‘celebrity pastor’ and I, contrary to what you say, am not defending him. However, what I said above is that I’m concerned about what I heard regarding his position on those who take the mark of the beast later being able to receive salvation, since this is clearly not true according to scripture. Apparently I should also have been more clear when I referred above to ‘theological blind spot’. What I meant by that was the discussion regarding the holy spirit, tongues, etc. and not the issue of the mark of the beast.

      My concern in this whole discussion is the willingness of some to condemn a man who has spent over 40 years in ministry and given his life to the correct teaching and preaching of the word of God. He is a pastor – and for that he should be held in high regard and not denigrated. I’m not saying that he’s perfect, but what I am saying is that I believe a more rigorous approach should be undertaken to determine exactly what he DOES believe on the topic of the mark of the beast before being condemning him out of hand. It could be that at one point he believed this, but has changed his position. For example, the following link is from his ministry’s website where he clearly teaches that taking the mark will condemn a person: http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/66-48

      So the facts seem to be that there may be some conflicting view; however, it could also be that the snippet of his answer at the link from your June 7 posting didn’t provide his complete statement. That recording seemed to be self-serving for the person in the discussion who actually holds that view – he seemed very gratified that someone with the visibility of Pastor MacArthur appeared to hold the same view – but we don’t know if there was more to Pastor MacArthur’s statement or it was edited to sound like this is his belief. In any case, I have emailed Pastor MacArthur’s ministry to ask this very question and when I receive clarification will be happy to share it here if you are interested. I think it is important not to make a determination until all the facts are in.

      • mike says:

        If john mccarther is a true pastor sent by god nay god strike me dead right now. Thus should not even have to be adressed. It’s like saying a homosexual pastor . Blasphemy of the spirit is attributing the works if the holy spirit to satan. I’ve cast out demons in jesus name he says I’m from the devil jesus says that is blasphemy an unforgivable sin. And your trying to justify that. I’m do grieved in my heart the holy spirit is grieved

  18. lyn says:

    Ester,
    Actually, my statement was general in motive and nature.
    I used to listen to MacArthur, then I started to see ‘cracks’ in what he preaches. His false teaching concerning the mark sealed it for me, I no longer consider him trustworthy, nor would I trust him.
    I encourage you to dig deeper concerning MacArthur, here’s a few links for you to consider – http://ephesians511blog.net/2013/12/01/john-macarthur-partners-with-new-world-order-conceals-vps-rockefeller-foundation-funding/
    http://iamhis-lyn.blogspot.com/2014/02/1-john-19-isnt-for-believers.html

    There was a time when I would defend MacArthur, that time has come and gone.

  19. Evan says:

    MacArthur’s own website attempts to clarify his response and position on the subject which in my opinion is convoluted and only muddies the waters even more:
    http://www.gty.org/blog/B131030
    As I understand it, MacArthur believes that the only sin that cannot be forgiven is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which he defines as a hardened heart. Since those who take the mark however are said to be “deceived” MacArthur presumes that their hearts cannot be said to be hardened – only deceived. Therefore he believes that one can still be forgiven even if they take the mark.
    The main problem I have with his view is that it goes against the plain reading of scripture and secondly he speculates on the nature of people’s hearts which is always a risky endeavor. Lastly, unlike other sins which can be repented of, receiving the mark appears to an irreversible action that cannot be undone.

  20. Onesimus says:

    Evan said “As I understand it, MacArthur believes that the only sin that cannot be forgiven is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit…”

    And that’s what MacArthur himself could very well be guilty of when we compare what he has said against ALL expressions of Spiritual gifts with the kind of thing Jesus was talking about when He gave His warning about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

  21. Agree says:

    I am VERY surprised by these comments about MacArthur. What do you expect from a man who in his own words, on his own website very clearly admits that he is NOT BORN AGAIN and never repented because he (implies) had nothing to repent of … Please, please go and listen to his testimony AND read it too, so that you don’t miss it (transcript is located immediately below the audio). Even Phil Johnson (the interviewer – John’s right hand) reacts hmmmm… It’s worth of hearing. Please see and/or listen to it.

  22. lyn says:

    MacArthur never states he isn’t born again, however, he does say some things that are troubling; for instance…

    PHIL: How old were you when you first recall sensing your need for Christ?
    JOHN: Well I always believed the gospel. I don’t ever…I don’t ever remember a time when I didn’t believe the gospel.
    PHIL: So you’re saying…are you saying it would be difficult for you to put your finger on when your conversion took place?
    JOHN: Yeah. I’ve never been able to do that. And it doesn’t bother me.

    So, John MacArthur has always been a follower of Christ? There was never a time in his life where the Spirit of God broke him over his sins and regenerated him? He doesn’t even recall when his new birth took place! I find that very, very disturbing. The Apostle Paul spoke vividly of his conversion on the road to Damascus: Peter was truly broken over his sins after his eyes met our Lord’s right after the crowing of the rooster.

    One must be broken over their sins before they can truly understand and trust in Christ, this is the ministerial work of God the Spirit. MacArthur has no recollection of being regenerated or broken, that is very disturbing.

  23. Tim says:

    Aaah … finally! A blog that has some “middle ground”! Up to this point in time, blogs have either been “Hyper-Charismatics” or “Pentecostals-Are-Of-The-Devil Group”! I’ve always asked the question: “Is there such a thing as a Pentecostal Baptist?”

    I was born again in a Baptist Church at the age of nine, baptized in the Holy Ghost while receiving counsel from a Baptist preacher (who didn’t believe in the Baptism of the Holy Ghost) at the age of 23 and finally baptized in water by an independent minister a few years later who was instrumental in directing me to Sola Scriptura (i.e. “…study to show yourself approved unto God, rightly dividing the Word of Truth)! How’s that for a mix?

    So, Last Hiker, nice to meet up with a Brother in the Lord who has not been taken in by the NAR, Hyper-Charismatic heretics, but still believes in (and has experienced) the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with its’ wonderful “comfort”, “anointing” and ability to “lead and guide” us into all truth .. not to mention the occasional “dream” and “voice” every Christian needs from time to time to escape the maze of end time deception!

    It is truly a time to “worship the Lord both in Spirit (prayerful intercession in tongues) and in Truth (obeying the Word of God as it is written)!”

    Blessings in Christ,
    Tim

  24. Tim says:

    Sorry … just found out you are a “Sister” in the Lord! 🙂

  25. Barbara says:

    John MacArthur is not who he seems to be. As Christians we must look beyond his image and investigate the fruit of his ministry. In a sermon on the parable of the four soils (Mark 4:1-20), MacArthur speaks of his ministry as a continuation of the ministry of his great grandfather, Rev. Thomas Fullerton, who was pastor of a Presbyterian church in Prince Edward Island, Canada. A little research reveals that his great grandfather also held high positions in Canadian Freemasonry. But John MacArthur only told half of the story:

    “The good news is, when the soil is prepared by God, there’s going to be an explosion of spiritual fruit and the harvest will go on and on and on and on and on and on. A nice young man in our church was recently in Prince Edward Island and I had said in the church service that my great grandfather was a pastor of St. James Kirk Presbyterian Kirk in Prince Edward Island back in the 1800’s. So when he was up there, he started digging around and found all kinds of things about my great grandfather. Thomas Fullerton was his name and he was pastor there at the main church in Charletown(?) [Charlottetown] for about twenty-eight years. He was a chaplain in the Canadian Military and he went to the Bower(?) [Boer] War in South Africa and fought and did ministry among the troops. And you look back and that and you say, ‘Okay, there’s a…his father was also a pastor who had been in Scotland and then gone to Australia and come there and at some point the Lord plowed the heart of that family and it just kept going and it just kept going and it kept going and it came down through my…from my great-grandfather to my grandmother, his daughter, and then through her to my father and then through me and this is the explosion and we’re all in this process somewhere. All of our lives intersect and that’s the…that’s the good news in the story and the disciples needed to hear that because it all basically looked like it wasn’t going anywhere.” (A Diagnosis of the Soils)

    What John Macarthur neglected to mention is that during the years that his great grandfather, Thomas Fraser Fullerton, was minister of St James Presbyterian Church in Charlottetown, PEI, he was also Provincial Grand Master; Most Worshipful Brother, Grand Lodge of Prince Edward Island, A.F. & A.M., Grand Master 1913–1914; “In the Grand Lodge he was Grand Chaplain, 1907-10; Senior Grand Deacon, 1911; Deputy Grand Master, 1912 and Grand Master, 1913.” “He presided as Worshipful Master of St. Johns Lodge in 1911. In the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite he received the degrees of the Lodge of Perfection and Rose Croix Chapter in 1903, and the intermediate degrees to 32degree in Charlottetown Consistory in 1911.” (Grand Lodge of PEI, Thomas Fraser Fullerton, PGM) In 1892, Rev. Thomas Fullerton was also Grand Secretary of the Provincial Grand Orange Lodge for the Province under the jurisdiction of the Grand Lodge of British America. (Canada: An Encyclopedia, p. 318)

    There is more documentation of John MacArthur’s family ties to Freemasonry which, in his own words, produced the global harvest of fruit of his ministry:

    http://watch.pair.com/macarthur-6-freemasonry.html#fullerton

    John MacArthur also sponsors a youth camp each year which is essentially pagan.

    http://watch.pair.com/macarthur-8-druid-festival.html

    The above articles are part of an extensive expose of John MacArthur which contains many more facts that Christians need to know. I also thought he was a good Bible teacher until I did some research and realized that the Bible teaching is just a facade for what goes on behind the scenes. The following expose shows how he is stealthily mainstreaming paganism in the Christian Church:

    http://watch.pair.com/macarthur-0-mainstream-pagan.html

    • Hannah says:

      Would there be a difference if the mark is taken by believers vs non believers? I understood that it is believers who cannot take the mark. Perhaps Pastor MacArthur is not making that differentiation.

  26. Tim says:

    One more thought on the subject …

    The Pentecostals need to realize that the non-Pentecostals have never received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, so they have no way of understanding that experience. It’s like trying to convince an atheist of the existence of God … no “experience” … then no belief. So, non-Pentecostals are forced to “explain away” the Baptism of the Holy Ghost according to their limited understanding of the Word of God.

    The greater problem arises when all they can see as “examples” of the Gifts of the Spirit in operation ARE the highly-publicized and demonically-influenced “aberrations” of the Todd Bentley, John Crowder, NAR types. Who can blame them for finding fault?!

  27. KK says:

    I agree. Here are a couple of questions also; If a Pastor says that we can’t hear from God now, we can only hear from Him in His Word, then how can a Pastor be called to be a Pastor, if he didn’t hear that from the Holy Spirit? Did he read in the bible that he was called of God to be a Pastor? Also, I believe that if a man today, is saying that the gifts from the Holy Spirit have ceased -,isn’t that man calling the Holy Spirit a liar? He is actually the one blaspheming the Holy Spirit. That’s a frightening place to be

  28. Hi,

    Excellent! Let me affirm this further.

    1. The gifts are for today. There is nothing in the bible to the contrary. You get it with that verse just like I do, ‘that which is perfect’ is when we are with the Lord, and it makes sense, then we don’t need the gifts anymore.
    2. All of what was for the New Testament Christians is for us, and I experienced all of it, the baptism of the Holy Spirit and gifts, and see that people still do get healed, etc. We don’t see it as much as on the perimeters of the expansion of the gospel (the mission field), but that is mostly thanks to types like JMA, etc.
    3. I will be frank. John MacArthur is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He fights against the Holy Spirit and His operation in the church (all that is available to us, like you said). (I also hear the voice of the Lord, as it says, “My sheep hear my voice and they follow Me.” ) The gullible see the pious things he says and run with the poison as well since that is how wolves operate. According to him, it is okay to take the mark of the beast. Yes, you read that right. Just google and see the video for yourself, and commentaries, but he said that. (calvinism…beware.) So, you can take the mark of the beast, which is to swear allegiance to satan and renounce your faith, and somehow still be saved (irresistable grace?) when the bible clearly says that anyone who TAKES the mark goes to the lake of fire, no if’s, and’s, or but’s. But if you think you hear the Shepherd’s voice, then he says you’re blaspheming the Holy Spirit and going to hell. Ironic, no? Typical wolf. But alas, so many still adore him!
    4. Exactly, blaspheming the Holy Spirit is to attribute to the devil what God has done, and they do that all the time. It is one thing to say that ‘some’ of the charismatic activity (crowder, etc.) is false, demonic, occultic, etc., but some is legit. (Real and counterfeit). But types like him claim that all of it is illegitimate, and it involves a large area of operation. It’s ironic, as if only the devil had any power to do wonders! I actually wrote a paper on this and you made many of the same points that I did, and many on here chime in similarly. When you have the Holy Spirit, you know it. They don’t so they deny it’s possible and they fight against God when they deny it. I also think of that verse of end times believers that ‘have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof.’
    ( :
    Keep up the good work!

  29. Michael-Brisbane says:

    I bought the Macarthur study bible after reading the reviews from Amazon. After reading his study comments, especially on tongues being gibberish etc I was alarmed and googled some stuff whereby I came across this blog. I would have to ditto everything Faith Contender just said with wisdom.
    There is some very dangerous teaching here and Macarthur offers a cup of water mixed with gall. The spirit always contends with the flesh and sometimes excesses are of the flesh and sometimes they are not and are of the Spirit of God and bring liberty and power. There was a movement one time that yes included fits of laughter but also included people receiving tooth fillings. Yes that’s right and that’s true. The Holy Spirit will sometimes move in unusual ways and ways we do not understand and for someone to ascribe this to works of darkness treads on very dangerous ground.
    Now I have a bible I ordered to gift but I feel I would not want to gift this to anyone who was not full of the Holy Spirit and already had descernment . It’s a good version in Nasb so maybe I’ll keep it.

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