Young Living and Do Terra Essential Oils — New Age and Occult Multi-level Marteting in the Church

“You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices.”

Leviticus 18:22

Since the beginning of time people have been using oils for medicinal and spiritual purposes. In fact, Ancient Egypt is known for its mystical wisdom in oils. This is nothing new. There is nothing good or evil about oil. It is an object. It is natural, just like cannabis or crystals. The problem is always in HOW men try to use it.

I have noticed a sudden and alarming trend of Christian women promoting essential oils for medicinal purposes. I am all for natural remedies. If chicken soup can make you better, cook it, eat it, enjoy it! But some of these companies have very serious new age and occult connections.

Before I go on, I want to just state that before I became a believer I dabbled in the occult. So I am aware that Wiccans and Pagans have been using oils all along. I am very sensitive when I see promotional descriptions and practices that incorporate pagan beliefs, listed in the oil catalogs being passed around my Facebook newsfeed.

In fact, you can’t even sneeze at my church without some woman pulling out her portable oil kit for a quick blend that she wants to rub on you to ward off your sneezes. Some of these precious women are quite obsessed. I have never seen this level of enthusiasm with Pampered Chef!

Before I go on, I will say that there are oils that I have used. I have used Tea Tree oil for fungal infections and Pepermint oil on my chest during bronchitis. These oils have been used by our grandmas the same way. It isn’t anything new.

BUT, the way Young Living and some of these other companies market their oils is plain old witchcraft.

It is deceiving too, because Young Living has a DVD that they sell called, “Twelve Oils of Ancient Scripture” that you can buy along with a kit of those twelve oils (for three hundred dollars). They are acting like the fact that Jesus was given Frankinsense and Myrhh means that all of their practices are fully Biblical.

But they aren’t.

I will prove it.

Gary Young is the founder of Young Living oils and he is a “professing” Christian. You can find him discussing the twelve oils of Scripture at a website called BiospiritualEnergyHealing.com. In this article, Young talks about the Third Eye being opened by the use of essential oils. This is also referred to by the Pineal Gland. This is not a Christian belief. It isn’t even a scientific belief. It is only a pagan belief.

 “Many people have said that we communicate to our Father through the pineal gland. I have not found documentation on that, so I don’t know that it is a correct statement, but I do believe when you have a spiritual experience you get this warm, burning, fuzzy feeling in your bosom. The chemical that creates that warm fuzzy feeling in your bosom is secreted from the pineal gland, and that may be the reason we are told by some scientists that the pineal gland is responsible for that communication. Very special” (Young).

This is so totally New Age and demonic. He says this in the section called “Increasing Spiritual Communication.” Well, if he was actually communicating with the God of the Bible, because this oil opened his third eye, then why is he spouting demonic lies and not Biblical truth?

He goes on to advise,

“Let me share this with you–if you want to have a beautiful experience, take three drops of Cedarwood and mix it with six drops of Sandalwood and one drop of Cassia–then go into that sacred, quiet space and put this on and do your prayers and your meditations, and when you regain consciousness, write down what you remember. It will be a beautiful experience for you.” (Young)

Regain consciousness? What kind of experience is this? Usually when I pray, and have a good time with the Lord I am not in an altered state of consciousness. This is so occult.

If you go to Young Living’s website you can easily find the page dedicated to their oil blends. This is where we can easily see the truth behind this company.

To really understand where I am going, you need to understand what this type of witchcraft is. I am sure you have all heard the word potion before. And maybe in a Bible Study you have heard the word for sorcery in Greek is Pharmakeia (Strongs Greek 5331). These words refer to medicines or drugs that are combined together to accomplish a physical or spiritual intention. It is a potion.

This is exactly how witches have been using oils, way before Christians got involved. And this is exactly how Young Living is openly marketing their oils.

Young Livings “oil blends” are blatant potions.

3300Look at the one they call “Abundance”–here is the description:

“Abundance™ is created to enhance the frequency of the harmonic magnetic energy field that surrounds us. This higher frequency creates what is called “the law of attraction,” which refers to the things we attract to ourselves. Abundance opens us to a wealth of possibilities.”

download (2)This is so satanic. In fact, they even use the phrase “law of attraction” which is the whole basis for the occult book The Secret. The Berean Call ministry says,  “The Secret is not a secret at all, but recycled Hinduism, shamanism, and New Age folly. One of many huge lies is its claim: “You create your own reality with your mind.” This was the serpent’s false promise to Eve–the promise of godhood”  (The Secret Seduction)

3330Another occult oil blend offered by Young Living is “Dream Catcher”– here is the description:

“Dream Catcher™ is an exotic formula designed to enhance the process of dreaming and visualization. The ability to hold onto your dreams – positive dreams that move you forward emotionally and spiritually – can lead to a greater ability to realize your desires and stay on the path of fulfillment. Dream Catcher also protects against negative dreams that may cloud your vision.”

An OIL can enhance visualization, and spiritual dreams? This is not a medicine. This is a potion. This is occult.

“Trauma Live” says it is:

“a calming, grounding blend of therapeutic-grade essential oils formulated to help release buried emotional trauma resulting from accidents, neglect, the death of a loved one, assault, or abuse. Left unchecked, emotionally draining episodes may be at the root of fatigue, anger, and restlessness.”

“Inspiriation” helps you connect spiritualy, just like pagans did!—

“Inspiration™ includes oils traditionally used by the native peoples of Arabia, India, and North America for enhancing spirituality, prayer, meditation, and inner awareness. It creates an aromatic sanctuary for those seeking quiet meditation and spirituality.”

Another oil that combines paganism with pseudo science —

“Australian Blue™ is a powerful, aromatic essence that unites ancient aboriginal wisdom with today’s scientific knowledge about essential oils to uplift and inspire the mind and heart. This exotic essential oil blend has sweet, earthy undertones responsible for its calming and stabilizing effects.”

And “Aroma Life” helps your life force, or vital energy (chakra) —

“Aroma Life™ combines the harmonizing effects of ylang ylang with known powerhouses cypress, helichrysum, and marjoram. Pulsing with life, this vibrant blend energizes your life force. It is best applied over heart energy – front and/or back.”

Uhm, yeah. Your life force is a New Age occult word for psychic energy. Another word for this is Chi or Prana. Hindus believe in this. It is totally new age. I don’t want to rub oil on me that will affect any creepy energy in me! No thank you!

If you click on the “Balance” page you will see them discuss this life force a little more:

“The world moves at a blistering pace. Rediscover tranquility when you slow down and seek out the small moments of bliss that keep spiritual and emotional wellness in balance.

Tap into your own vital life energy with pure essential oils and blends formulated for their ability to promote inner peace and emotional well-being. Our Balance products can guide you to your spiritual and emotional center, helping you live fully in the present moment.”

Here is the description for the oil called “Friends”—

“A social circle, comprised of both friends and acquaintances, is vital to our well-being. It is valuable to expand and improve your friend base as you pursue a life in Oola.

The INFUSED Friends™ Inspired by Oola essential oil blend has been specially formulated to bring harmonic balance to the energy centers of the body, which encourages feelings of self-worth, empowerment, confidence, and awareness.

Friends affirmation: I am blessed with empowering, healthy relationships.

Part of the INFUSED 7 kit which includes the Inspired by Oola® essential oil blends: Faith™, Fitness™, Finance™, Friends™, Family™, Field™, and Fun™

“Sensation” is for sex, “Slique” is for thinness, “Abundance” is for money, “Release” helps you deal with repressed anger, “Present Time” helps you move on from the past, “Calming” helps your kids behave, “Motivation” helps you get things accomplished, “Longevity” helps you look younger, “Common Sense” helps you make good decisions, and “Valor” helps support your energy alignment in your body, or your Chi.

This is insane.

And I have Christian friends that want me to come to their house on a Saturday for an oil party. Where they will try to persuade me to spend HUNDREDS of dollars on these oils! But who doesn’t want happiness, money, beauty, and health? Who doesn’t want to deal with anger, with just a simple dab of oil? It is so seductive! And it smells good!

And then I am told that if I want to get the oils even cheaper, I can become a representative too! And I can give my own parties, and tell other people that these oils have miraculous powers!

DoTerra is another popular company. I think it is actually more popular with the people I know. It seems to have a less New Agey feel to it. But it still offers oil blends that promise health, peace, beauty, thinness, balance, and mental clarity. It just does it in a trendier and more “mainstream” way. It is popular in upper middle class young families. That is who they primarily market to.

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A picture of a concerned mother rubbing DoTerra on a sick child.

Most of the young moms at our church get sucked into these oils as a way to safely treat their sick children. Instead of going to the doctors, just rub an oil blend on a sick child and they will be better in hours. I can’t tell you how many times I have read this online. Who doesn’t want to make their sick children feel better?

A few months back I was invited to a DoTerra oil party. The invitation listed some special services that would be available at the party. Reflexology–which is a great foot massage, combined with psychic energy healing. As well as “Zyto Scans” which proport to diagnose/not diagnose you with a biochemical report on what oils you need to buy. You just put your hand on a planchette (cough cough)– I mean sensor and it reads your energy. Then it tells you how much stuff you need to buy! At the very least it is a scam, at the worst it is occult.

These zyto scans and essential oil companies want you to believe what they are saying, but they conveniently put this disclaimer at the bottom of all thier materials:

“*These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent disease.”

But buy our stuff anyway!

Now here is some information “From the Witches Cupboard” on how oils can be used as potions.

Spiritual Oils can be used in a vast number of ways. Your oils can be one of the most important tools in your ritual space. Candles, crystals, amulets, talismans and other charms may be anointed with Spiritual Oils and this is really a great way to turn simple mundane items into items of magickal power and energy as well as charge already magickally empowered ritual tools.

Ritual Witchcraft Oils can also be used to anoint the body. If you are using an Oil to use for this purpose, be sure that the oil is skin safe. Some essential oils, such as cinnamon and clove, can cause a severe reaction to the skin and should really be used quite sparingly. Spiritual Oils that are applied to the body bring the wearer the energies of the oil, so a Power Oil will give you give you a boost up, a Courage Oil will give you strength and bravery in the face of your fears and adversaries, and a Blessing Oil will convey the grace of the Goddess upon yourself and your ventures. (SpiritualSpells.com)

So it seems pretty similar to what we have just been reading.

In fact, if you go to a pagan oil dealer you will find oil blends for sale that have the same claims that Young Living and DoTerra have. Check out the Organic Witch.

“Nothin’ Says Lovin’ Like Somethin’ from the Coven!

Greetings! This lens is a part of my Witchcrafts, Magic & Spells series. I have covered the basics of what magic is (and isn’t), as well as how it works. I have also, in this series, given a guide to common tools associated with modern Witchcraft. Now, we move on to some of my favorite spell components…oils and herbs.

All things in nature are imbued with specific magical properties and associations. By choosing the right ingredients, you will lend the appropriate energies to your spells and recipes that will align with your intent.

Witchcraft is both an art and a science, that requires study and knowledge, and lots of practice to become adept. As you begin to create your own spells, recipes for oils, potions and brews, you will find this guide very handy for your research.” (Witch Crafts: Guide to Oils and Herbs).

Now if you think that these oil companies are not using psychic energy to charge their oils go ahead and read what Gary Young from Young Living oils has to say about it:

Sharing Oil Energy Connections

Let me share a concept that we are going to get into later this week. You hold the oil in your hand and project your thoughts–whether you actually hold that oil and give it a blessing. To me, it isn’t the focalness of what you are saying that determines whether that oil has been blessed for that purpose, but the fact that you have directed your energy into that substance. That is what enhances the substance to do more and go further than it would ordinarily.

That is an area where people say, “ooh–now we are getting out in left field here. This is starting to sound like voodoo medicine.” Believe me, if anyone has that feeling, write it down! Before class is over, I am going to show you scientifically how that works. It’s very frustrating for me at times when I talk to people about prayer or meditation or focusing thought without words and making things happen. We are so programmed to think..”Oh, you can’t possibly do that..that’s the workings of the devil.”

All That is Good Comes of God

Somewhere in Galatians it says, “All things that are good are of me.” Write that down and keep that in mind.. “All things that are good are of me.” Go look it up. That will do you more good than me doing it for you. It’s there. “All things that are worthy or of good report..” It’s a beautiful scripture. When somebody starts to criticize you about what you are sharing with them and saying these are the workings of the devil, just pull out that scripture and read it to them. If they are an atheist, it won’t do you much good–and that is when you just stomp on their toe! Tell them if they had more faith, their toe would heal quicker! (12 Oils of the Bible, Gary Young)

Gary Young is practicing witchcraft.

Young Living oils are part of a demonic invasion in the church. Christian women are selling this stuff, believing this stuff, and rubbing it all over their precious babies at bedtime.

Like I said, these practices are not at all Biblical.

I have proved it.

Not only is Gary Young practicing witchcraft, but he has a really shady personal history. According to Dr. Eva Briggs,

“By the early 1980’s Young had moved to Spokane, Washington. Although he lacked any training in medicine, obstetrics, or midwifery, he insisted on delivering his first wife’s baby underwater in a whirlpool bath. He left the healthy baby under water for an hour. The otherwise normal healthy infant drowned. Young claims that he subsequently operated a clinic in Mexico that treated cancer patients with laetrile. Laetrile is a useless and dangerous drug that can harm or kill people because it forms cyanide in the body. It is illegal, and it is something of which Young should be ashamed, rather than proud. From Mexico, Young moved to California and opened a clinic offering supposed treatments for cancer and other illnesses. He claimed falsely at that time to be an M.D. He was arrested in California in 1988 for a variety of charges related to the sale of ineffective and worthless medical treatments. Young then returned to the Spokane area. He was arrested on January 10, 1994 for assaulting several family members with an axe. This behavior is from a man who claims to be deeply religious and spiritual. And what about Young’s claims to be an N.D., or naturopathic doctor? They are false. His “degree” is a worthless piece of paper purchased from a notorious diploma mill called Bernadean University. With this worthless credential, Young has NEVER been licensed to practice naturopathy in Utah or any place else.” (The Real Story of Gary Young and Young Living Essential Oils)

That is scary. And yet people will pay three hundred dollars for the 12 oils of the Bible and a DVD telling you that this stuff is legit, all while telling you to use your psychic energy to enhance the oils.

This is insanity.

But it has conned a bunch of godly that women I love.

I don’t think a day goes by that I don’t see one of my friends promoting another oil party, or raindrop technique, or miracle oil occurrence.

Before you think I am saying that it is wrong to put Mentholatum on your chest when you have the flu. I am not. But I would ask you to consider, if you are involved with these companies, if you think it is good or evil to promote a company that is involved in New Age and occult practices.

I would ask you to consider if you think it is okay to have in your home an oil blend that is supposed to affect you spiritually.

I personally, would choose to throw away all oil blends that promise me money, visualization, life energy, peace, etc. The list goes on. That is witchcraft and I will have nothing to do with witchcraft under my roof. The same way I would not have a satanic album in my CD collection (a compact disc is not evil, but the music is). The same way I won’t have a Ouija board in my house (a cardboard game is not evil, but divination is).

Does that make sense?

I would have nothing to do with companies that I think are trying to bring parties where reflexology and zyto scans are being used to condition people to accept energy healing, and spend copious amounts of money on false promises.

Please pray about your involvement with essential oils. Please pray over your family.

In fact, if you have any of the ailments that these oil blends seem to address I think your best bet is prayer–and a bonus is, prayer is free.

God bless you!!!

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It Is Time For Judgment To Begin With God’s Household–My Thoughts on Gay Marriage, Josh Duggar, and Hurting Sheep

For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

1 Peter 4:17

I haven’t written in a while, and I am not sure what this post will turn into, or if I will even publish it. I just want to get my thoughts out. I want to see what the Word of God might say, and if there is any exhortation and encouragement that will bubble to the surface.

I guess, what the Lord is telling me recently is that I need to prepare. I don’t know what for, but He has spoken to me that I need to get my priorities in order. I have been focusing on those things more and more, and especially in these last three weeks.

He has also been impressing on me to purify my heart, and be even more obedient to His Holy Word.

It is so easy to get distracted and discouraged. Like the psalmist I have seen mean people prosper, and I have felt the injustice. I have asked in my heart, is my way passed over by the Lord?

Why do you say, O Jacob, and complain, O Israel, “My way is hidden from the LORD; my cause is disregarded by my God”? Isaiah 40:28

I mean of course it is not! I know that. But there are times when I have scratched my head and wondered what is going on.

I went through a season where Psalm 73 actually took on personal meaning:

But as for me, my feet had almost stumbled;
My steps had nearly slipped.
For I was envious of the boastful,
When I saw the prosperity of the wicked.

For there are no pangs in their death,
But their strength is firm.
They are not in trouble as other men,
Nor are they plagued like other men.
Therefore pride serves as their necklace;
Violence covers them like a garment.
Their eyes bulge with abundance;
They have more than heart could wish.
They scoff and speak wickedly concerning oppression;
They speak loftily.
They set their mouth against the heavens,
And their tongue walks through the earth.

It guess I always read it, as if they Psalmist was talking about those OUTSIDE the faith. I never related to it, because I don’t want to go back to the old life.

It takes on new meaning when you see it apply to those who call themselves brothers. 

I have seen so many Christians hurt by these so called brothers, in church leadership.

There was no accountability.

No rescue for the helpless.

Just injustice.

And the brothers continue to prosper; they hide behind their reputation.

It stumbled me.

Leaders in the church, biting and devouring the sheep.

“Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” says the Lord. Therefore thus says the Lord God of Israel against the shepherds who feed My people: “You have scattered My flock, driven them away, and not attended to them.”

Jeremiah 23:1-2

“Why Lord? Why don’t You correct them? Why don’t You fix them? Why don’t You /judge/ them, maybe? Don’t You see Your injured sheep? Why do they get away with everything?”

Surely I have cleansed my heart in vain,
And washed my hands in innocence.
For all day long I have been plagued,
And chastened every morning.

Discouragement seeps in. Why do I even bother? Why do I even care? Why do I even try? Why do I even pray for them? /reality/

But the Lord, tells me to read on . . .

If I had said, “I will speak thus,”
Behold, I would have been untrue to the generation of Your children.
When I thought how to understand this,
It was too painful for me—
Until I went into the sanctuary of God;
Then I understood their end.

Surely You set them in slippery places;
You cast them down to destruction.
Oh, how they are brought to desolation, as in a moment!
They are utterly consumed with terrors.
As a dream when one awakes,
So, Lord, when You awake,
You shall despise their image.

Thus my heart was grieved,
And I was vexed in my mind.
I was so foolish and ignorant;
I was like a beast before You.
Nevertheless I am continually with You;
You hold me by my right hand.
You will guide me with Your counsel,
And afterward receive me to glory.

Whom have I in heaven but You?
And there is none upon earth that I desire besides You.
My flesh and my heart fail;
But God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever.

For indeed, those who are far from You shall perish;
You have destroyed all those who desert You for harlotry.
But it is good for me to draw near to God;
I have put my trust in the Lord GOD,
That I may declare all Your works.

The Lord is coming.

He is a righteous judge.

He will reward each one according to their works.

He sees.

He sees MORE than I see.

He sees the heart.

He sees my heart.

He sees MORE of my heart than I do.

And when He shows it to me, I need to respond with obedience to Him.

“As for you, follow Me.”–John 21:22

Repent

I want to turn my eyes from all the distractions, inside the church.

I want to turn my eyes from all the distractions, outside the church.

I want to follow Jesus.

I want to work out my salvation with fear and trembling.

I want to look to Jesus, the author and FINISHER of my faith.

I want to be one who does not just hear the WORD, but does what it says.

I want to be one who does the will of my Father in heaven.

I want to be one that Jesus KNOWS.

I want to have my things together, and be ready to go.

There will be tares in that Day.

I don’t want to be numbered among them.

There will be those who say “Lord, Lord! Don’t you know me?”

There will be a Day when the Lord divides the sheep from the goats.

I need to draw closer and closer to the Lord as that Day approaches.

Prepare

Christians are angry that the nation passed the Gay Marriage law.

The sky may indeed fall.

But I think that we need to use this time to focus on ourselves.

What sin do I tolerate IN MY HEART?

We can’t choose Jesus for anyone but ourselves.

We may be persecuted for our stance on gay marriage.

But before that even happens, let’s clean house.

Let’s say NO to the immorality inside of us.

Because I know that there are many heterosexuals sitting in churches every week tolerating pornography, unclean thoughts, adulteries, idolatries, hatred, outbursts of wrath, drunkenness, etc.

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?

Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.  

And such were some of you.

But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. 

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

We WERE these things.

But we should not still BE these things.

We should have been WASHED, SANCTIFIED and JUSTIFIED.

The Holy Spirit makes us new. He helps us.

We should not still be these things.

And may God help us if we are deceived, thinking we are okay, when we are not.

We have time, right now.

We still have this moment to repent.

WE need to take the speck out of our own eyes, so we can help others.

We need to purify our own minds, so we can be vessels of honor.

The Lord desires obedience.

The Lord desires holiness.

The Lord desires our love.

“For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.

And his commandments are not burdensome.” 1 John 5:3

Purify

Let’s be washed.

The WORLD sees a dirty church.

They see a church of self-righteous snobs.

They see a church that DEFENDED a child molester three weeks ago.

But is ANGRY at a couple of people, who don’t BELIEVE in Jesus, that want to follow their own different desires.

The world may support gay marriage, but at least they agree that it is wrong to molest a child.

But if you are a /famous/ Christian, we say, “It was a mistake, Jesus forgives.”

I don’t want to be like that.

I don’t want to minimize the sin in the church. We need to call it out and learn from it.

We need to make an example of what happens when people in the church commit crimes.

It should be a warning, not a pride parade.

I saw an article saying that Josh Duggar is a hero! It says that not only is he a hero, because we now know he molested 5 girls, but he is the BEST type of hero because he is a “broken hero.” So when we find sin in the camp, we pick up the criminal, carry him on our shoulders and add his name to the list of heroes in Hebrews 11?

Christians say we have to ignore it, because if we speak against this tragedy we are throwing stones. But no one is trying to kill Josh!

The church needs to stand up for victims of abuse and say, “Hey! It happens even in what we would think are the most perfect of families! What should we do to protect other kids from this? How can we raise awareness?”

That didn’t happen.

Like a dysfunctional family, Christians publicly dismissed this scandal and shamed anyone who thought this was horrible, for “not understanding the gospel of grace.”

Jesus died to pay the punishment for our sins.

This actually means that He hated that sin enough that He thought someone should die to atone for it.

It doesn’t mean that He thinks it is just a mistake, and we all make mistakes, just hide it. 

He hates it.

I don’t want to be like the Duggars– who condemn the sins of non-Christians, and add human rules to Biblical teaching to create a long skirted, patriarchal, “Super-Christianity,” all while hiding sin /crime/ so grievous that even Non-Christians are disgusted by it /child sex abuse/.

Yes, gay marriage is wrong.

But we need to clean up our own house.

We need to start taking a stand against ALL sexual immorality, even the stuff we think isn’t AS BAD— premarital sex, pornography, lust . . . and as far as I can tell, I guess Christians now are ready to minimize pedophilia . . . Who would have thought?

We have a form of godliness . . . but we are denying it’s power.

Let’s stop pretending we are better than the world, when we are hiding the truth.

We have our own hidden sins.

We need to deal harshly with ourselves, before we scold the world.

We are children of God, and we know better.

The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 24:50-51

It is time to get our house in order.

The Master is coming.

 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? Now

“If the righteous one is scarcely saved,
Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?

1 Peter 4:17-18

 

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Brian Head Welch and Todd Bentley–Calvary Chapel says, “He’s Not Backing Those Dudes”–Really?

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This blog is just an update on something I wrote back in November called, “Calvary Chapel–Is The Church Tolerating the Sin of Balaam and Jezebel.” It was about the ungodliness within the Whosoever movement, and how no one at Calvary Chapel would  answer my question–why are the Whosoevers being allowed to promote wickedness in their evangelistic efforts? During this time there was also a video called “The Whosoevers Exposed” that was being widely circulated. Many people were looking for answers. I was not alone.

Well, on November 14, 2014, Brian Brodersen (senior pastor of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa) had Ryan Ries on a daily radio show on KWVE, called “Pastor’s Perspective,” to discuss the Whosoever movement, and respond to some of the objections people have to the ministry. You can listen to that program here. Basically, there was a lot of twisting, minimizing, and mocking of our serious concerns. I ended up writing a break down, and commentary of the show called, “My Response to Calvary Chapel’s Pastor’s Perspective on the Whosoever Movement.

Then the hype died down as everyone forgot about what happened, and the dirt was swept under the rug.

No one actually dealt with the issue.

But people forgot about it, and things went back to business as usual.

What can I do? It is frustrating, but life moves on. And this is in the Lord’s hands.

But I want to give a short update on the situation, in case anyone is interested. I watched a shocking video last Friday, which was posted by the Psalm86 channel (YouTube). Her name is S. Walker and her blog is called Reflections From the Wall. She has also written a series called,  “The Fruit of Brian Head Welch.”

Her video is important because one of the things that Brian Brodersen and Ryan Ries said in the interview was that it was okay for Brian Welch to associate with heretical false teachers for two reasons:

1.) They said his associations were OLD. They acted like these connections we see in videos online were from ten years ago. They said he has since matured in the faith.

2.) They said that Brian does not support those ministries. Ryan said, “He’s not backing those dudes.” That he is just a people watcher.

That is not true.

After they told listeners on KWVE that Brian is the real deal Christian who is out there doing the real ministry, Todd Bentley began promoting a conference where he is teaming up with Brian Head Welch.

Todd Bentley is a “minister” who apparently left his disabled wife and three children for his intern, and then decided to stay in ministry. Todd Bentley is a roll on the floor, drunk in the spirit, false teacher. Todd Bentley teaches that God told him to kick a lady in the face to get the Holy Spirit to move, and he did it. He says God tells him to hurt people, and he can share several examples. He is horrible.

If you don’t know who he is, please watch this very short video.

Now here is S. Walkers video:

When I saw this video I was blown away. Not that Brian was teaming up with Todd Bentley, I know that Brian is crazy enough spiritually to do that. What bothered me is that I thought that Calvary Chapel would have probably talked to him about the controversy he is causing, and he would be on his best behavior for a while! But no.

I guess I don’t know what is worse, touring with Korn and Slipknot or ministering with Todd Bentley.

So Ryan lied to us. Brian Brodersen gave him a platform on KWVE and Ryan told us that Brian Head Welch is not backing false teachers. Most of us knew he was; Brian doesn’t hide it. But he is STILL teaming up with false teachers. He was going to minister with a guy that kicks women in the face who are desperate for an experience with God (no matter how fake that experience would be). It is cruel. It is demonic.

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I went to the event website a little bit ago and I see that the event has been cancelled due to scheduling difficulties. But as of January 22 it was still being heavily promoted.

Here is a description of what the plan was going to be:

FFM Healing Center March 6-7 @ 7pm Nightly. This Event Is Limited in Seats and You must Register below!

SPECIAL ENCOUNTER GOD EVENT!

Join us for this amazing “Encounter God” weekend March 6-7 with Special guest Brian “Head” Welch of the band KORN. Brian and Todd Bentley will minister together and Brian will share some of his life experiences and testimony and join Todd in ministry each evening. This is a up close and personal setting to meet and hear for yourself Brian’s amazing story. There will be worship each night with upcoming indie/Alt rock band LUMA lead by Kristen and Travis Estes. Each night there will be healing ministry and Impartation too.

Don’t miss this Special Event at the Fresh Fire Training and Healing Center. YOU MUST REGISTER AS SEATS ARE LIMITED! Direct Link to Register now!

I also want to add another video by S. Walker. In this video you will see Brian Welch in a church group and he is ministering and sharing. He talks about how in church black angel feathers fall on him. And he gets gems from heaven. And all sorts of strange manifestations. These people are wacky. It is another recent connection with false teachers and extreme movements. But Calvary Chapel just softly laughs and then lets their sheep follow this false teacher.

“But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.”

(2 Corinthians 11:12-15)

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Trials

I have been struggling so much lately. My circumstances and my thoughts. So much of it is just the enemy, but it still wears me out. Like big waves in the ocean. I keep coming up for air and then I get pulled down again. Right now I have fiery darts coming from every different direction. The roaring lion is prowling around my home, and I am worn out.

But I know it is just a season, and if I resist the enemy he will flee from me.

Even if it is just to come back at a more opportune time.

And in all of this, I see my frailty and my humanity and my weakness. I can’t deny it. I am weak. I am tired.

And in all of this, I see my great need for daily salvation.

For the daily forgiveness and for confession.

For communion.

Remembering what He has done for me.

Oh break me Lord.

I need the potters wheel.

I need the Father to hold me and shape me.

And I was sitting here tonight, longing for the Word of God to speak to me exactly where I need it. And I wanted to listen to a Bible study and relax (I am sick). I was thinking how I need to be preached to. I need to hear the gospel. I searched for a David Wilkerson study.

He preaches a true gospel.

Not seeker friendly.

Not accommodating.

The gospel of repentance, obedience, devotion to Christ.

I need that gospel.

I need the truth.

I don’t want my ears tickled.

I don’t want some pastor to tell me that I am doing the best I can, and God understands if I just want to give up and live like normal people for a day (or a week). I don’t want someone to pamper my flesh or to pander to my carnal nature. I don’t want someone to tell me it is okay to just settle. Don’t coddle me; inspire me. Fire me up! I need a drill sergeant to tell me to press into the presence of Christ. I need to train for this war. I need to keep focused.

God says to my heart, “Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without number” (Jeremiah 2:32).

I must stay focused!

Sometimes when God wants to get our attention, it hurts /our pride/.

When He reveals our lukewarm or apathetic inner reality.

Our inclinations to just veg out, turn on the TV and /not/ pray about our problems, but ignore them.

Just to ignore the mountain for a bit.

To not have to think.

Oh, Lord forgive me.

Please set me right. Please give me a new heart. Please pray for me Lord, like You prayed for Peter. Please strengthen me to endure these trials. I don’t want some fake positive affirmation of man to hold onto this coming year, I want Your Word and Your Word alone.

“For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all of your heart. I will be found by you says the LORD, and I will bring you back from your captivity.” Jeremiah 29:11-14

He will be found by me.

I will seek Him.

I will be delivered from this captivity.

He is my Hope.

He is my Refuge.

My Deliverer.

My Salvation.

In the end, all of this will just strengthen my faith. So I can endure more and more, with His massive hand enveloping my own.

“For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.” Hebrews 10:36

I am sure that the Lord is just preparing us for the evil days ahead.

“My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials,  knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.” James 1:2-4

Here is the study I was listening to tonight:

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Bethel– Old Stones and Burning Bones

A few weeks ago when I was studying for a Bible Study, a verse in a commentary stuck out to me and I noticed something that I had never really paid attention to before. It was this idea of building false emotional religion, on a place that has a reputation of true spiritual experience.

It was all about Bethel.

If you were to go on a walk through the town of Bethel you would find some rocks that could really tell a story. These rocks have been around thousands of years. In fact, there is one somewhere that was once a pillow for the head of Jacob.

“Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew it not.”

So Jacob built an altar of remembrance, a pillar, out of the stone he slept upon.

Later, the Lord told him to go back to Bethel and build an altar. So Jacob took his people with him. But first Jacob told them to prepare,

“Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that were with him, Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments: And let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went. And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which was by Shechem.” (Genesis 35:2-4).

Put away your “gods,” get rid of your idols, be set apart for the Lord.

Bury your sins like a dead man.

And the Lord changed his name. No longer would he be called a heel catcher and a deceiver, but he was called Israel, “governed by God.” (Genesis 35:9-10)

And so, time passed and God fulfilled His promise to the children of Jacob /Israel/.

Bethel– “House of God”

Bethel, a place that began as a promise. A place of preparation. A place of repentance. New beginnings. Sanctification.

This experience for Jacob really had nothing to do with, just “God being in this place and I just didn’t know it.” It had to do with God being with Jacob, and Jacob never knew it. This intimacy with God was built on the altar of repentance and consecration to God through faith. Every true altar, and cross is built the same way. It isn’t about the place, it is about the heart.

But people want the short cut. People just want to walk into a place that is “anointed.” They want to receive what they won’t labor for. They want the resurrection power without the cross of obedience. They want to experience God, on their own terms.

It is the same in Bethel. What was once known as a place where Jacob met with God and was born again, and named by his Father in Heaven–became transformed by superstition into this heavenly “stargate,” where these mystical and pagan priests told worshipers they could find a stairway to heaven, a back-door to the born again blessing.

Jeroboam Makes Gold Calves

25 Jeroboam then built up the city of Shechem in the hill country of Ephraim, and it became his capital. Later he went and built up the town of Peniel.

26 Jeroboam thought to himself, “Unless I am careful, the kingdom will return to the dynasty of David. 27 When these people go to Jerusalem to offer sacrifices at the Temple of the Lord, they will again give their allegiance to King Rehoboam of Judah. They will kill me and make him their king instead.”

28 So on the advice of his counselors, the king made two gold calves. He said to the people, “It is too much trouble for you to worship in Jerusalem. Look, Israel, these are the gods who brought you out of Egypt!”

29 He placed these calf idols in Bethel and in Dan—at either end of his kingdom.30 But this became a great sin, for the people worshiped the idols, traveling as far north as Dan to worship the one there.

31 Jeroboam also erected buildings at the pagan shrines and ordained priests from the common people—those who were not from the priestly tribe of Levi.32 And Jeroboam instituted a religious festival in Bethel, held on the fifteenth day of the eighth month, in imitation of the annual Festival of Shelters in Judah. There at Bethel he himself offered sacrifices to the calves he had made, and he appointed priests for the pagan shrines he had made. 33 So on the fifteenth day of the eighth month, a day that he himself had designated, Jeroboam offered sacrifices on the altar at Bethel. He instituted a religious festival for Israel, and he went up to the altar to burn incense. (1 Kings 12)

How horrible. What once was a place for idols to be burried has now become a place where idols are enthroned. Where the God of Israel is depicted by a cow! Not only that, but it imitated the truth. They celebrated an imitation. Of course that made it feel a little less idolatrous. “We do the same things you do in Jerusalem.” and “We are not that different.” After all, they still celebrated the feast of shelters. It felt comfortable, as they held to the traditions. Outwardly it was similar, inwardly there was a golden calf on the throne of their hearts.

False Spirituality

Instead of seeking Yahweh in truth and obedience, and trusting Him to establish his kingdom, Jeroboam set up a religion that would further his personal agenda. False religion empowers and enriches (money teachers, prosperity preachers, faith healers, repentance stealers). It wasn’t just another denomination. It was man made. It was a look alike religion, but with a satanic substitution.

Maybe they told the people, “God is doing a new thing.”

But God Will Judge

At the Lord’s command, a man of God from Judah went to Bethel, arriving there just as Jeroboam was approaching the altar to burn incense. Then at the Lord’s command, he shouted, “O altar, altar! This is what the Lord says: A child named Josiah will be born into the dynasty of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you.” That same day the man of God gave a sign to prove his message. He said, “The Lord has promised to give this sign: This altar will split apart, and its ashes will be poured out on the ground.”

Who does the prophet address? It wasn’t Jeroboam, the priests, or the worshipers. He shouts to the stones! The stones of the altar would be more likely to hear the words and respond! Oh, altar, on you will burn the bones of the pagan priests and false teachers! “…The stones of which would sooner hear and yield than those who were mad upon their idols and deaf to divine calls” (Matthew Henry).

When King Jeroboam heard the man of God speaking against the altar at Bethel, he pointed at him and shouted, “Seize that man!” But instantly the king’s hand became paralyzed in that position, and he couldn’t pull it back. At the same time a wide crack appeared in the altar, and the ashes poured out, just as the man of God had predicted in his message from the Lord.

As Jeroboam raged at the boldness of the prophet, that interrupted his solemn ritual, his own hand withered. It was paralyzed. It literally dried up.

And the altar cracked. And ashes poured out. The only sacrifice here that could please God, was the sacrifice of idols and everyone connected with them. Matthew Henry said, “How could the gift be acceptable when the altar that should sanctify it was an abomination? It was a reproach to the people, whose hearts were harder than these stones and rent not under the word of the Lord.”

Their hearts were harder than the stones that broke open at the Word of the Lord.

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It Was a Sign

The king cried out to the man of God, “Please ask the Lord your God to restore my hand again!” So the man of God prayed to the Lord, and the king’s hand was restored and he could move it again.

The stones of the altar were broken open. And yet the hearts were harder than stone. The king cries out, for a superficial prayer to be made for him. “Restore my hand!” Please. His hand that was hardened by God, was a sign of a heart that was even more hard, more withered, more paralyzed, and more useless.

And yet, he pleads for prayer from the very man he was just seeking to kill. “The time may come when those that hate the preaching would be glad of the prayers of faithful ministers” (Matthew Henry).

It is ironic. And yet, a prayer is answered and his hand is restored.  But notice, that he had no desire to pray for God to forgive his idolatry, or change his heart. He only cared about restoring the strength of his flesh.

“I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.” Jeremiah 23:14

How many times have you seen faith healers work on the flesh of the unrepentant? Is that really evangelism? Jesus healed people, body and soul. He never sought to heal just body alone. But false spirituality seeks one without the other.

“Do Not Even Eat With Such People . . .”

Then the king said to the man of God, “Come to the palace with me and have something to eat, and I will give you a gift.”

But the man of God said to the king, “Even if you gave me half of everything you own, I would not go with you. I would not eat or drink anything in this place. For the Lord gave me this command: ‘You must not eat or drink anything while you are there, and do not return to Judah by the same way you came.’” 10 So he left Bethel and went home another way.

The man of God was commanded to not fellowship in the house of idolatry. There was no true repentance. He could not sit at their table and endorse them. (1 Corinthians 5:11)

Isn’t this true with all healing ministry. If a man has a miracle affecting his flesh he is for sure grateful. He will deal kindly to the minister or prophet, even maybe tithing. But unless his heart is healed, he walks away unregenerate.

So the man of God leaves.

The Sin of Doubt, A Personal Compromise

11 As it happened, there was an old prophet living in Bethel, and his sons came home and told him what the man of God had done in Bethel that day. They also told their father what the man had said to the king. 12 The old prophet asked them, “Which way did he go?” So they showed their father which road the man of God had taken. 13 “Quick, saddle the donkey,” the old man said. So they saddled the donkey for him, and he mounted it.

14 Then he rode after the man of God and found him sitting under a great tree. The old prophet asked him, “Are you the man of God who came from Judah?”

“Yes, I am,” he replied.

15 Then he said to the man of God, “Come home with me and eat some food.”

16 “No, I cannot,” he replied. “I am not allowed to eat or drink anything here in this place. 17 For the Lord gave me this command: ‘You must not eat or drink anything while you are there, and do not return to Judah by the same way you came.’”

18 But the old prophet answered, “I am a prophet, too, just as you are. And an angel gave me this command from the Lord: ‘Bring him home with you so he can have something to eat and drink.’” But the old man was lying to him. 19 So they went back together, and the man of God ate and drank at the prophet’s home.

“I am a prophet too.” Of course it would happen in the place of false religion that there would be a false prophet, that would conjure up some lie to trip up the man of God. And in disobedience to the Word of God, this man of God fell prey to the lies of a false prophet.

Oh Lord protect us, from those old prophets. Protect us from listening to the old respected men whose names once stood for your Word and your Truth. Please protect us from trusting in men, doubting your Spirit, and compromising your Word.

20 Then while they were sitting at the table, a command from the Lord came to the old prophet. 21 He cried out to the man of God from Judah, “This is what the Lord says: You have defied the word of the Lord and have disobeyed the command the Lord your God gave you. 22 You came back to this place and ate and drank where he told you not to eat or drink. Because of this, your body will not be buried in the grave of your ancestors.”

This old man had deceived the young prophet. “If he had been a good prophet he would have reproved Jeroboam’s idolatry, and not have suffered his sons to attend his altars, as, it should seem, they did.” (Matthew Henry). If the old prophet was a true and holy prophet, the Lord wouldn’t have had to sent this young man of God out of his way to prophesy at Bethel.

“I suppose it was done with a bad design, to draw him into a snare, and so to expose him; for false prophets have ever been the worst enemies to the true prophets . . . God’s people are more in danger of being drawn from their duty by the plausible pretenses of divinity and sanctity than by external inducements; we have therefore need to beware of false prophets, and not believe every spirit.” (Matthew Henry).

I find it interesting that the most dangerous threat to God’s people is not the king, or the government that has the power to kill us–but spiritual deception that comes from corrupted and compromising religious leaders.

And the judgment came upon the man of God. A lion came and attacked him.

For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? (1 Peter 4:17)

When the old prophet found his body, he buried him in his own grave. Maybe he was identifying with the man of God? Maybe he was feeling his own hand in this man’s death? Maybe he worried about the judgment that may come upon him for his own disobedience to God as a prophet?

He cried out as in agony. “He had reason to think, if he must die for his disobedience in a small matter who sinned by surprise, of how much sorer punishment he should be thought worthy who had belied an angel of God and cheated a man of God by a deliberate forgery. If this were done to the green tree, what shall be done to the dry?” (Matthew Henry).

And yet, even with a broken altar and broken stones. Idolatry continued. Jeroboam went on unchanged.

33 But even after this, Jeroboam did not turn from his evil ways. He continued to choose priests from the common people. He appointed anyone who wanted to become a priest for the pagan shrines. 34 This became a great sin and resulted in the utter destruction of Jeroboam’s dynasty from the face of the earth.

What was the point of all of this?

Was it even worth it?

Well, 300 years later a king was born. His name was Josiah. His birth was predicted by this same prophet who stood up to King Jeroboam. Within 56 years of Josiah’s birth, he would fulfill this prophesy and burn the bones of those priests upon those very stones.

15 Josiah also broke down the altar and high place at Bethel. Jeroboam son of Nebat had made this altar. Jeroboam caused Israel to sin.  Josiah broke down both that altar and the high place. He broke the stones of the altar to pieces. Then he beat it into dust and he burned the Asherah pole. 16 Josiah looked around and saw graves on the mountain. He sent men, and they took the bones from the graves. Then he burned the bones on the altar. In this way Josiah ruined the altar. This happened according to the message from the Lord that the man of God announced. The man of God announced these things when Jeroboam stood beside the altar at the feast.

Then Josiah looked around and saw the grave of the man of God.

17 Josiah said, “What is that monument I see?”

The people of the city told him, “It is the grave of the man of God who came from Judah. This man of God told about the things you have done to the altar at Bethel. He said them a long time ago.”

18 Josiah said, “Leave the man of God alone. Don’t move his bones.” So they left his bones and the bones of the man of God from Samaria.

So Josiah burned the bones of the pagan priests. This act certainly didn’t hurt them. But it did, and still does, serve as a striking picture of their eternal fate, where the fire is never quenched.

The altar was destroyed, but there may be a few stones still there, telling a story. Reminding us that we need to come to the altar of Christ, we need to pick up our cross and obey the Word of the Lord. We meet God at an altar, but we can’t set up our own. We need to come to the place where He set it up–the Cross of Jesus Christ. He alone is our Lamb and our High Priest forever.

“For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus” 1 Timothy 2:5

“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.” Matthew 7:13

It is interesting how so many churches call themselves Bethel, “House of God.” And yet, even Bethel was corrupted by false spirituality. The namesake is not just Jacob, but Jeroboam as well. I can think of a rather famous church right now, called Bethel. It seems to be following in the traditions of Jeroboam, mixing “church” with man made false teaching and paganism.

But praise the Lord our Savior! Our God who desires us to worship Him in Spirit and Truth. Our God leads us into all Truth! We can be close to God. We can be the people that the Lord will draw near to! It comes down to our hearts.

“The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.” Psalm 34:18

“The LORD is near unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth.” Psalm 145:18

“For this is what the high and exalted One says– he who lives forever, whose name is holy: “I live in a high and holy place, but also with the one who is contrite and lowly in spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly and to revive the heart of the contrite.” Isaiah 57:15

It isn’t about where you are geographically is it? It is about where God meets the sinner; it is about the true altar. Come to the Cross of Christ, repent of sin, take up your cross, and follow Jesus.

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My Response To Calvary Chapel’s Pastor’s Perspective Program on The Whosoever Movement

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Inside the KWVE Studios Friday November 21, 2014. Interview with Ryan Ries of the Whosoevers on Pastors Perspective

For months now I have been wanting to hear what Pastor Brian Brodersen’s thoughts were on what I have seen happening in the Whosoever movement.

As I shared in my last post “Calvary Chapel and the Whosoevers–Is The Church Tolerating The Sin of Balaam and Jezebel,” over the last few months I have been calling and emailing Pastor Brian repeatedly. I was hoping and praying to hear back from him. I honestly thought that maybe he didn’t understand what was going on with things inside the movement. I thought he would at the very least be interested, even concerned. I know I am not the only one that cares about these issues. I see people on Facebook, everyday, asking the same questions and hoping for the same answers.

So when I received a phone call on Friday afternoon that Brian Brodersen was addressing the Whosoever movement on Pastor’s Perspective I was thrilled. If you are not familiar with Calvary Chapels, Pastor’s Perspective is a radio program where you can call in live and ask questions. Well, on Friday November 14 the whole show was dedicated to the issues many people are seeing with the Whosoevers.

Finally, a response! I could finally hear what Pastor Brian thinks of all of this!

Honestly, it was good to hear something come out of his mouth. He is the senior pastor of one of the largest Bible teaching church fellowships in the United States. But what I heard was not only disappointing, it was shocking.

It knocked the wind out of me.

I sat in my car, in a random parking lot that I had pulled into to listen for an hour, and cried. As the concerns of many loving Christians were minimized, marginalized and vilified.

But this isn’t about me. I am not here to defend myself or what I wrote. I do still stand by it. I have prayed to the Lord to help me write this. Because first and foremost I need to have a spirit of humility. I am nobody. I am not here to win an argument. Pastor Brian is smarter than I am, and he has accomplished more in his life than I have. He wins.

However, I want to respond. This is not written to correct Pastor Brian. He has taken his stand. But, I am writing this to those who have emailed me asking me what I think of the show.

Since I am getting emails asking for my response, I am going to respond to a few key points. I am going to paraphrase some of the comments as best as I can. Please feel free to listen to the show to get exact word for word quotations.

“Raw Language”

First of all, at the beginning of the show they ask Ryan why there is “raw language” on his website. They must be referring to the youtube video of the KORN concert that the Whosoevers posted on their website, where you could hear the F-word over and over and over and over again. This video has since been removed.

Ryan responded by saying that they want to show the good, the bad, and the ugly of Christianity. That our generation wants raw truth. They want you to be straight up, to talk about sex addiction, suicide, cutting, etc. He said that Nikki Minaj’s album cover is pornographic and every kid sees it and is exposed to this stuff.

My question is- What? So, wait? What is your answer to that question? Because who told you that you shouldn’t talk to kids honestly about sex addiction, suicide and cutting? Nobody has ever criticized you for that! The question is, why does your Christian website have the F-word on it? Why do members of the Whosoevers use foul language and unwholesome words? Is that a prerequisite for reaching the youth? Why do you act like the only way to reach out to troubled youth is offensive language? Oh wait, you don’t call it offensive language you call it “raw language.” Why does that make it more real? Phrases like “butt naked wrestling” and “banging girls” do not belong in the pulpit Ryan. Standing in your father’s pulpit on a Sunday morning and saying, “Let me lay hands on you and pray for you” while you reach your hands out as if you are grabbing a girls breasts, laughing, and then saying “don’t do that when you pray for girls” is irreverent to the Lord. Not only that it makes women feel uncomfortable, and disrespected. You say that you care about these troubled youth, so consider how that might make a troubled young victim of sexual abuse feel–very uncomfortable.

How about the “raw language” that Head uses, in the video from Denver that you are using to justify that God is doing amazing things on the tour? You posted a video on your Facebook (below) and you are proud of the ministry that took place there. But what about the “raw language” that came out of Head’s mouth as he “shared Christ“– “Oingo Boingo, Duran Duran BS,” “Meth grabbed me by the b@lls,” “That religion that we saw on TV when we were growing up . . . most of it was BS!” or how about when he began his prayer at the end, “Lord, Look . . . There has been a bunch of BS sold to us Lord . . .”

Irreverent and ungodly.

So people put their thumbs up in the air, to respond to a positive message. How many of them do you honestly think just got saved? How many of them just picked up the cross? How many of those people are convicted of sin and repentant? How many are going to get in their cars and throw out their Korn and Slipknot CDs? How many of them are really going to go and listen to the Shine Bible studies after they were just told by Head, that all that church stuff they saw on TV as kids is “BS.” It was an easy message, and you got a positive response. On top of all of it, it was a message filled with anger at traditional Christianity and filthy language.

Dear brothers and sisters, not many of you should become teachers in the church, for we who teach will be judged more strictly.  Indeed, we all make many mistakes. For if we could control our tongues, we would be perfect and could also control ourselves in every other way . . .And so blessing and cursing come pouring out of the same mouth. Surely, my brothers and sisters, this is not right!  Does a spring of water bubble out with both fresh water and bitter water?  Does a fig tree produce olives, or a grapevine produce figs? No, and you can’t draw fresh water from a salty spring.” (James 3:1-2, 10-12)

I don’t see a verse underneath that qualifies that “raw language” is okay if the times are wild and you need to be relevant to the culture you are trying to reach.

Has Brian Welch Matured?

The second thing that I want to address is the question that was asked, “Has Brian Welch matured?” Ryan replies, “Totally.” It was in reference to the videos online. Probably Whosoevers Exposed.  They went on to say that yes he has matured and that the videos online are from 10 years ago, and they are old and irrelevant. Which isn’t exactly true . . . Since the older videos show him a bit more godly than the newer ones . . .

Ryan made a bold statement, “God led him back to Korn. Those are his best friends he grew up with his whole life.” He says that Brian is able to show them love, and share Christ with them. I find this statement presumptuous.

He is saying that God led Head back to Korn, and he is expecting that statement to settle any questions critics might have. Well, is God leading Head other places? Did God lead Head to the Benny Hinn event? Did God lead Head to Bethel Redding? Did God lead Head to the occult Supernatural Bible School (last month)? If God is leading Head, then why would there be so many strange places Head is going?

Brian Brodersen followed with, “When your walk is solid we need to be able to go pretty much any place. Jesus wasn’t afraid to go anywhere.”

This sounds good, but this just isn’t true.

First of all, you can’t just go anywhere. You can’t just go to a strip club, sit down and share Jesus with a girl that is dancing for you, just because your walk is solid. You can’t go watch 50 Shades of Grey with a bunch of lonely dissatisfied women, just so you can witness to them about purity afterwards.

Second of all, this whole statement is predicated on the idea that Brian Welch has a solid walk. Which has not been demonstrated at all, and is exactly what is being brought into question!

Before we even go on to talk about him playing in Korn, or touring with Slipknot. Why don’t we look at his supposedly “Christian” work? This song “Flush” is one of his videos that he did 3 years after leaving Korn to follow Jesus. It is about how addictive and destructive an addiction to meth can be. I would suggest you DON’T watch this video, because it features two women in bras and underwear licking red powder off each others half naked bodies rubbing their chests, engaging in lesbian behavior and it is extremely erotic and distasteful. Again, this is his work as a “Christian.” But don’t watch it, unless, like Brian Brodersen says your walk is solid–because then, we can by all means tempt ourselves into sexual immorality.

Like seriously though, don’t watch this:

Click here if you don’t believe me, and you want to see the video “Flush”

[I removed the embedded video because the image was too gross]

Head says that this song is about “flushing all the crap in life down the toilet and starting out fresh.” I guess lesbian erotica helps you do that? 

Pastor Brian went on to share a truly endearing story of Head ministering to his sister in a very sweet and compassionate way. He was blessed.

He said that because of this incident, when people come up to him with information like I presented in my article, he shrugs his shoulders and says, “I don’t have time for this . . . When was the last time you led anyone to Christ?” Then he laughed, and went on, “You been telling any heroin addicts about Jesus lately?”

This sounds like he basically makes negative assumptions and scoffs at the very watchmen that are trying to contend for the faith. Instead of being willing to address the difficulties and edify the church; it is like Brian Welch is above error, just because one time he had a good conversation with Pastor Brian’s sister.

He goes on to say in his soft thoughtful voice, “Often times, the ones criticizing the loudest are the ones who really aren’t doing anything, except sitting around criticizing the ones who are out doing it.”

Wow. Basically, he is saying that as believers we need to “be quiet” about all this. Because if you voice a concern, it means that you are failing at serving God. That is very subtle manipulation. And it isn’t even true! You don’t even know me, or the people making the videos or the other writers. You don’t know that I couldn’t even write this response until today because I was involved in actually serving God this weekend! But that doesn’t matter. Because even if I wasn’t serving God this weekend–this argument is a logical fallacy! Brian Brodersen is smart too, so he even knows what Ad Hominem means.

And, I must say that I get this response a lot. Especially from the Whosoever crowd. And it is a tactic of bullying. Instead of assailing me with assumptions, why don’t you just use a Bible verse and show me where I am wrong? That works much better. And it is Biblical.

But Ryan says, “Head and Sonny are the real deal. True Christians, true love, leading thousands of people to the Lord.” He then goes on to make a /prophetic/ declaration I guess that when we get to heaven we are all going to see who gets all the crowns, it won’t be the criticizers. Anyone who criticizes the movement will stand and watch as Jesus gives all the crowns to Head and Fieldy.

Perfect Theology?

The interview goes on, and this will be the third thing that I feel needs to be addressed. Ken Sutton asks Ryan this question, “Sonny and Head, these guys don’t have perfect theology do they?” *pause* Ryan repeats, “…perfect theology…” soft laughter fills the studio. As everyone chuckles at the idea that anyone has perfect theology.

Sutton explains, “this is the nuances: they have said this . . . they have done that . . . gone to this church . . . they don’t have perfect theology do they?”

So Ryan goes on to explain why this is understandable. “When you are a rock star you meet everyone . . . you meet all the freaks.”

He shared a story of a time when Head sent him a picture, and he asked where he was and found out that  Head was at a Benny Hinn event. At this point in the conversation, everyone laughed again (the laughter was weird to me throughout this whole interview). And Ryan said he texted him, “You’re a weirdo, dude.” And they laughed again (is this really funny?) Apparently the reason that Head finds himself at Benny Hinn events, in the Holy Ghost movie, serving communion and toking “baby Jesus” with John Crowder, rolling on the ground “drunk in the Spirit” at Bethel Redding, and recently graduating from Jonathan Welton’s Supernatural Bible School, is because he is just a people watcher. Ryan said,  “He’s not backing those dudes.” Head just wants to check out everything.

Now these are lies. This is simply not true. People will hear this on the radio, and believe that it is true. But it is a lie. And I cannot say that in a nicer way. This is not old news; it isn’t that he used to be into all this stuff, but he is not anymore. No. This is what he is into, he is proud of it, and he isn’t going to change. He has said so. Recently.

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It sounds like now he knows better, But it is the irony of the non-response because they are not saying that he no longer supports Crowder, just that he is now aware.

And since when does Calvary Chapel laugh at the question of bad theology?

Is that a new thing?

When Pastor Chuck died, did we then get free reign to read The Shack? 

And so why did you pull Gungor off the radio list Brian? (insert soft laughter). If it doesn’t matter if they have perfect theology or not?

In fact, I saw someone ask Ryan if he had warned Brian Welch about John Crowder. And Ryan responded yes, that he is aware. They are acting as if Brian has been warned and repented of his ungodly connections. It couldn’t be further from the truth! (If you don’t know who John Crowder is, why he is demonic, and how Brian is connected to him, click here and scroll down).

This person makes a good point. Head has not renounced false teachers, he continues to promote them.

This person makes a good point. Head has not renounced false teachers, he continues to promote them.

In fact three months ago, Brian Welch asked people to donate money to a ministry that supports John Crowder.

In fact three months ago, Brian Welch asked people to donate money to a ministry that supports John Crowder.

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The Fire House Project, that Head asked Christians to give money to recommends a book by John Crowder. They are super mystical, and their doctrine is dangerous.

Brian Welch teaches us to get drunk in the Spirit as he rolls around on the floor, telling us that God loves us like a man loves his wife’s naked body. It is so strange. (March 2014)

He asks people to pray for an experience with God, “Say it with me, ‘Jesus. I don’t know what this is all about. But I know Head wouldn’t lie to me. Show me that these angels are real. Show me that your spirit is real. Show me that you are really God. I want to know the truth. Show me the way. Amen.'”

Wow. But I know Head wouldn’t lie to me? Show me these angels are real? Is that the gospel?

Too Worldly?

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Ryan posted this on his Facebook with the caption “Are the Whosoevers devil worshipers? The Whosoevers exposed.” You can see how seriously he takes these allegations.

The next thing that I want to talk about is the discussion on worldliness. They began to address the critics who say that the movement is too worldly.

Ryan addressed this by saying you need to be in the world, and not of it. Okay. He went on to say, “you gotta be in the world if you are going to reach people.”

I agree. But I disagree that it means it is okay to be worldly to reach people. He uses the example of Jesus taking the disciples to Caesarea Philippi, this is a place where they used to worship Pan, and it was worldly, and demonic and people were even sacrificed there. Except. Jesus didn’t take them to a pagan festival. He took them there because he was about to take three of them up Mt. Hermon and be transfigured before their eyes. You can’t just take this portion of Scripture and act like this was Jesus taking them to a Korn show, being a light in darkness.

Brian Brodersen goes on to say, “Do not judge according to appearance. Judge what is right according to truth. I have the advantage of knowing you Ryan. I know you, I know your heart, I know your story, I know your love for Christ, so I completely trust you. When I hear you are on tour with Slipknot (everyone laughs) what was that tour called? (Ryan says, ‘Prepare for Hell’ and everyone laughs again) Yeah, when I see that I’m not worried thinking gosh I hope Ryan doesn’t jump in there . . . because I know you. People who don’t really know, they are looking from appearance and making a judgement call. I think if people knew Head. If you knew Sonny. If you knew they were in the trenches . . . I think one of the mistakes is to think as Christians we are to isolate ourselves . . .”

Pastor Brian please stop worrying about what the critics think, and please start worrying about what the new believers think!

Because, there are many people that are making a judgment about this. The least of all is me. I am honestly not at all stumbled into sin by this. I came out of this lifestyle and I hate it and I am not at all looking at this and thinking, “Hmmm. Maybe it is okay for me to listen to Slipknot again?”

But there are those who are thinking that. They are looking at this ministry, and seeing head post pictures from backstage at the Slipknot shows and judging that they can have that life and walk with Christ.

Don’t worry about what I think about this.

Worry about what THOSE people think.

A woman posted on the Pastors Perspective Facebook page this weekend:

Pastors’ Perspective – Brian Welch joins this video around the 9 or 10 minute mark. This is NOT a 10yr old video – this is from 1 yr ago. Warning – the whole video is completely foul and evil. Who is getting the glory here? Certainly not Jesus. While you pastors had Ryan Ries sitting in front of you in the studio, you should have given him godly/pastorly advice to walk away from this darkness. Instead, you promoted it. Shame. Ryan says he had a porn problem. Have you seen the mic stand that Korn uses? It’s a naked woman’s body. As pastors, shouldn’t you be advising Ryan to walk away from that, too? Your program was not honest and was just a promo for The Whosoevers. Where are the testimonies of young people walking away from this darkness? Not going to happen because they are actually being invited to join it! I am very disappointed in the leadership of the church that we have been a part of for 30 years. Stop pretending that this ministry is actually doing anything. It is only indulging sinfulness. Korn and Slipknot lyrics and images are evil and there is no way Ryan Ries should be on tour with them. I cannot even believe that Brian Brodersen said that God called Brian Welch back into Korn. Have you lost your mind?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Az9vNcW7Cc

Pastor Brian and Pastors Perspective, both, did not respond to her. 

The link she posted shows Head performing with Rob Zombie (who I used to love). It is so hard to watch this and wonder how a believer could 1.) think this is okay and 2.) not get their heart sucked back into the the worldly love of it.

Pastor Brian says worldliness is about our hearts, but how can you say Head’s heart is not into Korn’s music? That isn’t true. He loves it. He admits it. In the video posted above, you see Head performing “Am I Evil” with these bands.

So you can’t tell me that people are not going to be stumbled back into worldliness thinking that they can have both–satanic music and worship, Slipknot, J-Devil and Christ, darkness and light–when the Whosoevers certainly are having both.

THAT should matter to you Pastor Brian.

THAT is righteous judgment.

“Abstain from all appearance of evil.” (1 Thessalonians 5:22)

Why? So you don’t stumble others!

When I was in a dating relationship, I was taught by Calvary Chapels that I shouldn’t be seen snuggling in a car with my love interest, because of the appearance of evil. We shouldn’t be alone at my house late at night, because of the appearance of evil. We shouldn’t go on vacation together before we are married, because of the appearance of evil.

Chuck Smith never said that it is okay to go on vacation getaways with my love interest if he knows us. Other people might think we are fornicating . . . but that is just because they do not know us. But Pastor Chuck knows our hearts . . . And when was the last time they shared with a heroin addict? But really, it is fine! He knows our hearts, and our love for Jesus, etc. People are just being judgmental and legalistic. NOPE. 

Pastor Brian knows their hearts.

“The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?” (Jeremiah 17:9)

Where are the Whosoevers being careful to ABSTAIN from ALL APPEARANCE of EVIL?

This is not even mentioned.

It is just dismissed with, “well, you don’t know them well enough.”

At one point they even said that Slipknot is probably just putting on an evil facade. It is just a show. So they are giving the idea that these guys are really not that bad, it is just a show. They just like to put on the appearance of evil, for fun. They are sheep in wolves clothing, really. Well, maybe goats clothing would be more appropriate.

Cool. Anyone have the gift of discerning of spirits? If so, see how far you can get in this song without feeling something literally demonic. Go ahead and pray over your home afterwards too, to close the door you just opened.

Then it gets really ridiculous.

It Is Just a Job

After Pastor Brian discusses Christians isolating themselves, he talks about this idea that if you are a Christian musician people think you need to be in a Christian band or on a Christian label and that people think you are bad if you aren’t. He says, “That’s a wrong thing. We would never apply that anywhere else. If I’m a carpenter I don’t have to work with a Christian contractor.” He says it is the same with a mechanic, and so on. He says, “If I’m a musician, this is my job. I want to be a witness. I look at Sonny and Head, and that’s what they’re doing.”

Well, there is a huge difference between working as a carpenter (which is a job that Jesus did) and playing in a satanic band. Right? There is a difference between being a mechanic and a stripper. Right? There are certain jobs you need to resign from when you choose to pick up a cross. If your job causes you to sin against God you need to quit.

Playing music in Korn is a sin. The songs are blasphemous, pornographic, and R-rated. We are not talking about playing back up for Stevie Wonder.

Christians can’t even listen to Korn without sinning. Period. And now that line has been blurred.

Brian Welch performed this song about a year ago. It probably has over 300 F-words. It looks like Brian is having a good time too. Brian needs to repent.

So now you have people singing worship songs at Shine, and singing Korn songs in the car on the way home from church. Interesting.

Brian said that with the “Coorperate America Anti-Christ Agenda” who can you work for? Basically implying that working for Target and Starbucks is equally Anti-Christ. So here we have again another logical fallacy Pastor Brian–False Comparison.  A carpenter is not the same type of job as a guitarist in Korn.

And to imply that the critics think it is wrong to work a secular job, and we just hide in our houses, isolating ourselves, with our “Christian yellow pages” is again, another insult, based on assumption, intended to silence the critics.

John the Baptist

I am almost done with this response. What I say isn’t going to change anything anyways. But I do want to point out something. Ryan mentioned that people at Knotfest came up to his booth saying, “there were Christians outside telling us we were going to go to hell and we need to repent.” He said that it was turn or burn, and unloving. He said that the Slipknot fans said that they liked the Whosoevers better, because they are all love.

Woe to you when all men speak well of you,
    For so did their fathers to the false prophets.” (Luke 6:26)

Just sayin.

He said, “99% of all Christians won’t walk in there because they are terrified of the place because it is dark.” and he finished with comparing the Whosoever presence there to the ministry of John the Baptist.

If you were preaching like John the Baptist Ryan, the Slipknot fans would not have loved you or welcomed you at all. Be honest.

John the Baptist preached, “Repent of your sins and turn to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near.”

“You brood of snakes!” he exclaimed. “Who warned you to flee God’s coming wrath?  Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God.  Don’t just say to each other, ‘We’re safe, for we are descendants of Abraham [or maybe some other man of God].’ That means nothing, for I tell you, God can create children of Abraham from these very stones.  Even now the ax of God’s judgment is poised, ready to sever the roots of the trees. Yes, every tree that does not produce good fruit will be chopped down and thrown into the fire.

 “I baptize with water those who repent of their sins and turn to God. But someone is coming soon who is greater than I am—so much greater that I’m not worthy even to be his slave and carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. He is ready to separate the chaff from the wheat with his winnowing fork. Then he will clean up the threshing area, gathering the wheat into his barn but burning the chaff with never-ending fire.” (Matthew 3)

John the Baptist did not set up a tent at a pagan festival to sell t-shirts and hand out CD’s of his testimony. He preached a hard message.

He literally preached turn or burn.

Didn’t you say that was a bad thing to do?

What is funny is that you laugh at Benny Hinn (a fake teacher who lies and steals from God’s people). You excuse all of Head’s ministry connections that have “imperfect theology.” All those false teachers get a free pass and a soft laugh. The ONLY ministry you come against are the ones who preached the gospel to the people going to Knotfest. Why? They had the word of God coming out of their mouth and they were speaking truth. People actually stood there and repented. Are they not on the same team you are playing for?

I am reminded of what Jesus said in John 15

“If the world hates you, remember that it hated me first. The world would love you as one of its own if you belonged to it, but you are no longer part of the world. I chose you to come out of the world, so it hates you. Do you remember what I told you? ‘A slave is not greater than the master.’ Since they persecuted me, naturally they will persecute you. And if they had listened to me, they would listen to you.  They will do all this to you because of me, for they have rejected the one who sent me.”

Now I am not saying we need to be mean to people, at all. We shouldn’t. But those people outside were not being mean. They were preaching. Preaching like John the Baptist. Outside the gates. Maybe most of the Slipknot fans did not appreciate their message because they love darkness rather than light. And maybe, they don’t mind your message so much because it doesn’t convict them of sin.

“And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil.  All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants.” (John 3:19-21)

Knotfest 2014


Final Thoughts

So in conclusion, I finally have my response from Pastor Brian. He said it at the beginning of the program:

“We are really happy that you are here. Really blessed that you are doing Thursday nights with Shine. We just want to continue to pray for you. And man, when I hear about you preaching at Slipknot concerts I just think that is absolutely amazing.”

It isn’t what I wanted to hear, but at least now I know where Calvary Chapels are choosing to stand, what they are willing to overlook and ignore, and who they are choosing to insult.

It is a little shocking. It is very sad.

I am grieving, literally crying over what is happening. Ryan assumes that people like me are critical because we don’t get it. The opposite is true. I get it. I am critical because I was in it. I came out of it. I see the demons behind it. And I don’t see people getting rescued, but false converts putting their thumbs up to a positive message, thinking they are saved, and walking away unregenerated.

I am so broken.

But I am still praying.

I still love the people of Calvary Chapel. Of course. I am fervent in prayer for them to see the truth. They will hear the good stuff from the Whosoevers movement. They will hear rational explanations, soft laughter, and Biblical sounding encouragement from Ryan. In fact the show ended with him giving a pot addict a very good message of repentance. They will see Pastor Brian Brodersen support them no matter what, and “not have time” for any serious information.

Good people will be confused because after all, how can it be bad when Ryan says some really good things. They forget that the enemy uses a LOT of truth to conceal a tiny error. Like Jacob Prasch says, “Every mouse trap, has real cheese.”

But please don’t forget that even a little leaven will spread, and leaven the whole lump.

Please don’t tolerate leaven in your life.

Please don’t compromise with leaven in your church.

In the end, you are really going to have to look at the facts for yourself, and line them up according to the Word of God. Please don’t blindly follow what I am saying. And don’t just follow what Pastor Brian says, just because he is smart and successful. It doesn’t matter. We are all accountable for what we know. We all have to look to the Word of God, and not the smooth words of man, in order to discern truth from error.

I am praying for everyone who sees this. God bless you.

For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,  teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,  looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works. Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you. (Titus 2:11-15)

You can’t argue with that verse, even if you softly laugh in a radio studio.

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Calvary Chapel and the Whosoevers–Is The Church Tolerating The Sin of Balaam and Jezebel?

Oh The Sweet, Refreshing Wisdom of Tozer (Please Watch–5 minutes)

If you attend Calvary Chapel, or love someone who does, please pray about what you are about to read. Ask God to show you what to do with this information. Don’t just read this, and then choose apathy. Calvary Chapels are full of sweet God loving people. Please bring this information to the leaders, the pastors, youth pastors, members, and anyone who will listen. Maybe someone will stand up and be heard.

In the book of Revelation, we have the Lord Jesus Christ writing to the churches. Some of His comments are positive, but some are also very harsh. None of us would like to think that He has any correction to bring to our churches, but it is pure stupidity to think that we are above any of what He has to say.

To the church of Pergamos Jesus says, “But I have a few things against you, because you have there those who hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit sexual immorality.” (Rev. 2:14) And to the church of Thyatira He says, “Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce My servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.” (Rev. 2:20). 

He had even commended them for previous good works–being willing to be martyred, faith, service, and love. That doesn’t mean that they get a free pass on lust and idolatry (worldliness and false teaching).

My great concern right now is for Calvary Chapel. They are a conservative fellowship of churches that teach the Bible verse by verse. They have a reputation for being a safe place to fellowship. However, they are promoting the Whosoevers, even giving them a weekly platform in their main pulpit. And the Whosoevers, as I will show are promoting the sin of Balaam and the sin of Jezebel.

Calvary Chapel has not been without scandal or controversy, even currently. This is all quite horrible. But there are Calvary Chapel Fellowships that honor God. Teach the Word. Pray. Evangelize. Love. And make a difference for the Kingdom.

So, with all this going on, I understand that Brian Brodersen has been too busy these last few months to take my (repeated) calls and answer my (repeated) emails and inquiries about what I see happening in the Whosoevers.

But you would think that if there was something demonic happening in his ministry, he might want to know??? He might want to take a stand??? I would!!!

It doesn’t look like it.

Whosoevers Founder Ryan Ries

The Whosoevers began as an evangelistic ministry from Calvary Chapel Golden Springs. Pastor Raul Ries’ son Ryan had a spiritual experience with demons and Jesus and he decided to start a ministry reaching out to the most unchurched in our communities. Even though the Bible says to not lay hands on a minister rashly, Calvary Chapel chose new believers to head up a huge ministry, and has not provided much spiritually mature guidance. I have already written about The Whosoevers and Brian Head Welch here, here, and here. But things have gotten much worse, so after much prayer and after trying to help Calvary Chapel and The Whosoevers by talking personally to them about the danger of all this, I have decided to write again.

If you look at their new website you will find no mention of Jesus Christ in how they describe their organization.

“The Whosoevers is a non-profit organization founded in 2009 between Sonny Sandoval, Ryan Ries, and Brian “Head” Welch. Our mission is to bring like-minded individuals from various subcultures together and create a positive shift in today’s world.”

A positive shift? Is that code for something? It sounds rather New Age to me. It sure doesn’t sound like the Great Commission from Christ.

Jesus didn’t come to earth to bring about a positive shift in various subcultures.

The Benefit of the Doubt, and Yet No Excuse

Now let me begin, by saying that this gets confusing. Because they say a lot of good things. They have the whole “Murder Your Flesh” promotion. Which sounds a lot like repentance. I prayed so hard asking God if I just don’t get it. I used to support the Whosoever movement when it first got started. It looked like a huge harvest of people coming to Christ. But it is different now. I was listening to a teaching by Jacob Prasch and he said that you can’t just go by what they say. You have to look at what they do. Bob Coy preached against sexual sin while he was living in it. People can say good things, but do you see that fruit in the organization as a whole. Please ask God to help you see things clearly, in truth. I want to show you some important clues.

Here is Ryan’s “I Am Second” video where he details his conversion and repentance. You can see he likes to highlight his sin, which always makes me feel a bit polluted. But if you get halfway through it, you might cry.

I don’t get it. Is he just a knucklehead that means well, and makes mistakes here and there? Or is he like the seed that fell among the thorns and worldliness and confusion are drowning out the fruit. I do not know.

I do know that some of the things in the Whosoever movement today are just absolutely, unquestionably demonic.

If Ryan is doing the best that he can, and he just doesn’t understand these things. Then those who are mature and full of knowledge and wisdom need to help him, and correct him. Apollos was a preacher in the book of Acts and he had a good heart, but he had some things to learn. So Priscilla and Aquilla took him aside and helped him.  So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. “When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately” (Acts 18:26).

What usually happens is that no one will correct the minister in error, but they will attack the blogger pointing out the error. So we will see how that goes.

If Ryan is truly God’s chosen man to minister to the most unchurched, then correct him so that he can be more fruitful. If he is full of the Holy Spirit, he will appreciate it.

“I am come a light into the world, that WHOSOEVER believeth on me should not abide in darkness.” (John 12:46)

“Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? WHOSOEVER therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.” (James 4:4)

The Whosoevers and the Doctrine of Balaam

Balaam was hired by King Balaak to curse God’s people. But he couldn’t, because God wanted to bless His people. So he told Balaak how to get God’s people to curse themselves. His idea was to send the pagan women from the neighboring villages into the camp; the men would marry them and be led into idolatry. The plan worked. God’s people married worldliness and cursed themselves.

The enemy is still in the church, trying to get God’s people to marry the world and curse themselves.

This video has since been removed from their page, but here is a screenshot proving that it was there.

This video has since been removed from their page, but here is a screenshot proving that it was there.

Gross Worldliness and Sin Promoted on The Whosoever Website

They will say you need to “Murder Your Flesh,” but if you visit The Whosoevers website, you can click on the “About” menu and select their YouTube page. You can find several videos including this one that is a 20 minute Korn concert. There is NO EVANGELISM in the video. NO CHRIST. It is 20 minutes of people literally screaming out “M*ther F#&K3rs!!!” at the top of their lungs throughout the concert. It is so disgusting that I sat at my computer and wept that they were promoting this on their website. I am so angry about it that I am sick.

WARNING–Explicit images and language (straight from the Whosoevers website)

If you look at their events, you will find information about a baptism as well as an invitation to a secular metal concert without ANY Christian bands. It has a demon in the picture, and Korn will be playing with satanic bands like Cannibal Corpse. I used to listen to them before I got saved. I immediately knew through just the Holy Spirit that I could no longer listen to them! How confusing is it for new believers when they see the church promoting satanic concerts?

KORN

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“grab product” another post said, “Come by and gear up.” Did they just go to make money?

Just last month Slipknot had an event in Southern California called “Knotfest” that brought thousands of people.

“Each festival day on Saturday and Sunday will be “13 HOURS OF THE APOCALYPSE” from 11AM to 12 Midnight featuring tons of different festival attractions including the Slipknot Museum, Massive Fire Hell Zone, Packs of Freakish characters, the scariest ride from the Clown’s childhood at the Iowa State Fair, THE RING OF FIRE, a Fighting Thunderdome, a Festival Zipline, a sideshow freakshow and many more to be announced” (Knotfest.com).

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“you guys are going off today!” Excited? Not horrified and burdened?

Here is a shocking description of the event from Revolver. So despite the fact that “pagan fire performers” and “goat spirit animals” were going to be featured, The Whosoevers thought that this event was “going off.” Unlike the other brave and obedient Christian groups that shared the gospel outside the gates (even facing persecution), the Whosoevers set up a merchandise table inside the festival to sell their t-shirts to Satan worshipers. Yes they were giving out CD’s of their testimonies, but their Facebook posts indicate that they apparently enjoyed the festivities.

In fact, many of their Whosoever Facebook fans, later commented things like, “Oh, I was there! If I had known you guys were there I would have said hi.” No shame. Like it was the mall, or something.

A few weeks ago Pastor Brian Brodersen was on Pastors Perspective (a radio program on KWVE) talking about how he pulled Gungor off KWVE because they have unbiblical beliefs. But he allows the Whosoevers to promote Korn? If you think this is okay, then you didn’t watch the video of the Korn concert above.

A few weeks back, The Whosoever’s Shine Event (located at Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa) featured an interview with Fieldy from Korn. A supposed believer, who thinks it is okay to work in a music group that blasphemes Jesus, sing perverted and explicit lyrics and has a satan worshiping lead singer. I listened online and I was actually so surprised to hear how blasphemous Ryan Ries was throughout the interview. Feel free to listen to it here “Interview w/ Reginald “Fieldy” Arvizu (Korn) and Wife Dena” (9/25/14). In this clip you will hear Ryan Ries imply that God hates sincere set apart Christians–“Jesus hates the religious people,” that Jesus may have whipped people with the chord when He cleaned out the money changers–“The Bible doesn’t say that Jesus hit anyone with the whips, but it doesn’t say that He didn’t!” and that He can help you get off drugs if that is what you want–“He isn’t going to force you.” He threw in the usual raw language that he likes to use, like “screwing.”

It was a trip. So irreverent.

He said that Jesus was the first punk rocker. Which makes no sense, since Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not rebel against it.

He said that Jesus was trying to get the religious people out of His Father’s house. But he was trying to get out the merchants. Those who were trying to make a profit out of people connecting to God. If anything, The Whosoevers are merchants. They are constantly promoting their merchandise–hoodies, hats, tanks, t’s, stickers, etc. #themovement #thewhosoevers #korn

They teach another gospel and another Jesus. “You can repent if you want to, but don’t get too holy because that is self righteous. And Jesus is just like us. He is an idol made in our image. If we are punk rockers, so is He!”

It is crazy. Because I was just reading the Bible this weekend and I was in Revelation 1, and I saw Jesus described like this:

12 Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band.14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; 15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; 16 He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. 17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore.

John saw Him and fell on his face as if dead! This is the same John that lived with Jesus in close companionship for three years, even seeing Jesus transfigured. And yet when John sees Jesus in this heavenly experience, he can’t handle it.

It is a sin to change Jesus. It is a sin to compromise His glory to make him appealing to people that don’t like Him. It is a lie.

He is not a punk rocker.

He is God.

The Whosoevers are not preaching holiness. They preach the doctrine of Balaam–get the church to marry the world. Bring the two together. This is evil.

photo (1)You can’t have a Christian ministry promoting the “Prepare for Hell Tour” that Korn and Slipknot are going on! And yet we do! And this is happening in Calvary Chapel!

You can’t expect me to believe that God will display his glory through Slipknot and Korn! But I guess they do expect me to believe it. They expect all the well fed sheep of Calvary Chapels to believe it to. Or maybe they just hide a lot of this from the masses.

14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15 What accord has Christ with Belial?  Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said,

“I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them,
    and I will be their God,
    and they shall be my people.
17 Therefore go out from their midst,
    and be separate from them, says the Lord,
and touch no unclean thing;
    then I will welcome you,
18 and I will be a father to you,
    and you shall be sons and daughters to me,
says the Lord Almighty.”

–2 Corinthians 6:14-18

The Whosoevers Promote the Doctrine of Jezebel

Jezebel was the most wicked woman in the Bible. She was responsible for the persecution of God’s righteous people and the introduction of the worst idolatry in Israel’s history. What do false teachers do? They try to seduce God’s people into lies and sin, and if God’s people resist, they persecute them.

Don’t believe me? Let’s just see how much anger this article stirs up! LOL.

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He laughs at his “haters” and posts a picture of a horned man dripping with blood

You even see this attitude in Brian Welch. When Brian went back to Korn, many of his fans did not understand. They were confused and wanted to ask him why he would be going back to a band with a satanic lead singer, and lyrics that are blasphemous and R-rated. He said God told him to. But then he began to antagonize and mock the Christians that were confused by his actions.

    • February 8 he wrote–“I wish I could kill some Christians, then pray and raise them from the dead, then smack their face. But I can’t, so I won’t. LOLOL  ALL LOVE!” 
    • He wrote a song about judgmental Christians and asked his fans to name it. He deleted comments of the Christians, that were wondering what he was doing coming against the church, but allowed non-Christians to cuss out Christians. Help “Love & Death” NAME OUR NEW SONG! It’s about critical, judgemental people who ain’t got no love in their hearts. Lets hear some ideas?” Then thousands of his fans came up with possible insulting names for judgmental Christians (many of whom attend Calvary Chapels and met him through the Whosoever movement).

New Apostolic Reformation, and Occult False Teaching

False teacher Bill Johnson

So, not only are the Whosoevers promoting the satanic, sinful, blasphemous and worldly music culture–they are also allowing Brian Welch to promote his extreme charismatic false teaching to the fans of the Whosoevers. And attacking anyone who speaks against it.

Brian is not a regular Christian. He is a mystic. He is a drunk in the spirit roll on the floor laughing or barking like a dog, “slain in the spirit” type of Christian. The Holy Ghost movie proves his association with false teachers, like Bill Johnson. He shares on his Facebook page when he is attending Bethel Redding.

He even is seen serving communion with blasphemous teacher John Crowder. Watch and tell me that these people are not behaving under a demonic influence. It is shocking. You will feel sick watching this.

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John Crowder and Brian Head Welch “toking baby Jesus.” Here we have Brian joining in with him. Crowder sometimes uses a little baby figurine, as a joint.

He sometimes calls it “Jehovah-Juana”

Here is a portion of the letter I emailed to Costa Mesa:

“Brian Welch has a separate Facebook page called Love Drunk Headly. I have friends that go to Calvary Chapel churches that follow this page. This page is very mystical. He writes about his mystical experiences with God. These experiences are typical of those associated with Bethel Redding and the International House of Prayer. I think most people think he is being poetic– “high on his love.” But when you realize that he spends time with people photo 2 (1)who literally preach getting high on God’s love in a blasphemous way, it isn’t just poetic.

    • On June 5 he wrote–“Jesus is revealing deep hidden mysteries to me right now after my trials and I am getting so high on his love.”
    • On March 26 he wrote that a friend asked him how he can learn to feel the love drunkenness. He replied, ” In order to open up the heavenly dimension to make you sensitive to the spiritual/angelic realm ruled by Christ, I recommend that you take in God all day, every day, in any way that you can. Make yourself “attractive” to God. The word says if you “draw near to God,” He will “draw near to you.” Drawing near doesn’t mean for 5, 15 or 30 minutes. Drawing near is a lifestyle. It’s eating, drinking, reading, seeing, listening and breathing in God… All day, every day (as much as your schedule permits of course) . . . ” (he goes on)
    • March 18 he wrote–“I mentioned that I don’t go to church a lot, but I don’t dislike going. I do dislike boring, traditional churches but I respect everybody for what they believe and how they want to live their lives. I usually go to gatherings at nighttime rather than early Sunday mornings. Feels more like a party at night! I was at a spot last night and I had a smile glued on my face most of the night. I even found myself belly laughing hard with friends by the end of the night. Was a blast! I could feel God or angels or something. I don’t see them yet, but I can sense or feel “things” a lot. I know when the atmosphere shifts spiritually. There are some people, who are very normal I should add, with the gift of seeing things in the spirit world. A very young girl last night told me she saw some angels of joy twirling around my head. I believe it, because I could feel stuff going on. I know to some of you that this sounds nuts when you read about it, LOL, but I swear, the more you open yourself up, you actually figure out that it is very real. It’s cool because I totally function normal and I mostly hang out with people who don’t believe in this stuff the majority of the time, but I’m always connected to my spiritual life, especially when I find time to get alone and when I have time off from regular life. When Jesus walked the earth, he was attached to two realms – The earth realm and the heavenly realms. My goal is the same. I can be banging my head at KoRn concerts all over the world, and be connected with God in Spirit at the same time. I used to detach from this world all the time and party with drugs, now I just detach myself from this world and I party with God, & all my peeps (no matter what they believe)! Drugs take you into the spiritual world illegally (spiritually speaking). Jesus Christ takes you into the spiritual world legally.”

Don’t you think they would care about this?

But it gets even WORSE.

On September 17, he shared a video that told about his recent graduation from Jonathan Welton’s “Supernatural Bible School.” In this video below, he encouraged all his Facebook friends to join this school, “to find out what Jesus is really like.”

Johnathan Welton is very dangerous.

Spirit of Error  details some very shocking information below:

Welton claims that all Christians should be reclaiming the following practices from the occult as part of their normal Christian walk.
    • Reading auras: The ability to see invisible energy that surrounds a person and learning information about that person based on the color or form of his or her aura
    • Clairvoyance: The ability to perceive extrasensory information about an object or event from the past, present, or future
    • Clairaudience: The ability to hear sounds, music, and voices sent from the spirit realm
    • Clairsentience: The ability to sense smells sent from the spirit realm, along with tastes and touches
    • The use of power objects: Physical objects, such as crystals and amulets, that contain supernatural powers

photo 4Here are a few quotes from Welton, that send shivers down my spine:

“I have found throughout Scripture at least 75 examples of things that the New Age has counterfeited, such as having a spirit guide, trances, meditation, auras, power objects, clairvoyance, clairaudience, and more. These actually belong to the church, but they have been stolen and cleverly repackaged.”
“We need to begin to use [New Age] counterfeits as signposts. Every time a counterfeit shows up, take it as the Lord presenting you with an opportunity to reclaim . . . the Church’s stolen property.”
(Jonathan Welton)

When is someone going to stand up and say this has to stop!

So I called Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa again, and spoke to Brian Brodersen’s secretary again. I thought he would want to know this stuff. I have still yet to hear a response. And I wasn’t trying to be difficult. I explained that many people I love are involved in this ministry, but I want to warn them and before I did that, I wanted to hear Pastor Brian’s response to all of this. No luck.

This is so demonic. The Bible is clear throughout the Old and New Testaments that we are to have nothing to do with these activities. They have never been a way to commune with God, and they have always been a way of demonic deception. This is literally “doctrines of demons.”

As I was reading Revelation chapter 2 and 3 (Jesus letter to the churches) I noticed that He brings a word of correction to ministries that are even doing some things right. Just because something looks good, doesn’t mean we should ignore serious red flags.

The enemy is always trying to get into and destroy the work of God in the church. He prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. The enemy gets us to curse ourselves the same way Balaam brought down Israel, getting them to marry into paganism. He also gets us to destroy ourselves like Jezebel did, by bringing in false doctrine that appeals to our flesh, idolatry.

The Whosoevers are doing both. Getting Christians to compromise with worldliness and even outright satanism and calling that evangelism. They are also presenting false doctrine, and calling it an experience with God.

And if that is not enough, Calvary Chapel has been warned about it and they don’t want to stop it, fix it, or even warn the sheep that there is a wolf in the sheepfold. Which is surprising because they are so conservative. They speak against Joel Osteen, and The Shack, and they don’t even have any of the books from the teachers Brian Welch is promoting in their bookstore. They never would. But they are ignoring this?

So what are you going to do?

If you go to a Calvary Chapel, please talk to your pastor and your youth pastors. Please let them know what is going on, and what is being promoted. I am not the only one upset about this. There are people reaching out to Brian Welch and warning him of his false beliefs. This is all public. You just need to look to his Facebook pages.

Please pray for these people. But don’t expect that God will just fix them, without us standing up and talking to them about it. God hasn’t just fixed other false teachers or other derailing movements. If we don’t stand up against error in our churches then God won’t deliver us from the error; He will give us over to it. Because we have chosen it.  Error in the church is a judgment. That is why Joel Osteen is still the pastor of one of the largest churches in the world. False teaching and unbiblical ministries, are in themselves a judgment to the people who want to sit under them.

Share your concerns. Don’t be intimidated because they are Bible scholars or because they are successful. We have to hold everyone accountable to the Word of God. The Bereans didn’t even listen to the Apostle Paul until they checked what he taught with the Word of God.

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears” 2 Timothy 4:3

For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,  teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,  looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,  who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you. (Titus 2:11-15)

If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness,  he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourselves. (1 Timothy 1:6:3-5)

There used to be a generation of evangelists that didn’t care about being seeker friendly or relevant. They preached the truth. You don’t need to be cool to be used by God. You just need to be simply honest. Here is a video from A.W. Tozer on real evangelism. I hope that we can get rid of these gimmicks and compromises and just get back to the power of the Holy Spirit and the truth of the Scriptures.

A.W. Tozer on Evangelism — So Good Please Watch

If you still are not convinced, please listen to this sermon by David Wilkerson. He would be rolling over in his grave right now if he knew his ministry Teen Challenge was partnered up with the Whosoevers. If you disagree, you have never heard this sermon.

On November 21, 2014 Brian Brodersen responded to the information presented in this article (and other articles/videos that others have posted online) on the Pastors Perspective Radio Program. He fully supports the Whosoever ministry and said that he has no time to listen to people who want to talk about Brian Head Welch’s false beliefs or associations with worldliness; and he gave some weak excuses for his position. If you would like to listen to the program or read my response to his reasoning, please click on the link below. 

My Response to Calvary Chapel’s Pastors Perspective Program on the Whosoevers

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